How does Marek beat Windu again? I keep hearing force powers.. force powers.. he's better than mace in force strength thus he will win... How on God's Green Earth does that mean a victory for Marek? Mace already beat a superior force power user in Sids. His massive force powers didn't get Sids the victory.. yet it will a inferior user in Marek? Where is the logic in that..
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How does Marek beat Windu again? I keep hearing force powers.. force powers.. he's better than mace in force strength thus he will win... How on God's Green Earth does that mean a victory for Marek? Mace already beat a superior force power user in Sids. His massive force powers didn't get Sids the victory.. yet it will a inferior user in Marek? Where is the logic in that..
It's not logic, it's GL that allows people to make cinematics that show a 19-year old kid incinerating stormtroopers with a Force bubble.
I agree that Marek would defeat Windu through the Force. The only reason Mace beat Palps was because Palps felt Anakin through the Force, and wanted to make him Vader.
As for Obi, and Vader it depends on where they are fighting. In ROTS Vader had Obi beat, and Obi jumped up on the hill. Vader became overconfident and that led to him getting dismembered. If it was in Geonosis Arena, or someplace like that, then Obi would die.
Haatyc or'arue jate'shya ori'sol aru'ike nuhaatyc - "Better one big enemy that you can see than many small ones you can't."
Originally posted by Board Walker
Considering sidious threw the force aspect of the fight, and then proceeded to anihilate mace with lightening and force throw him out a window, I don't think marek's need to be.
How many times are you going to spout this theory that has no proof to back it up. Neither the Movie or Novel ever hint that this was the case. So please post the quotes from either that make this a fact. You continue to keep saying this little theory of yours that has no evidence to back it up.
I'm going by the movie, what you interpret of the movie is your own opinion.
Sidious loses his saber, likely not part of his plan, he then uses the force on windu, as anakin comes in. While anakin is conflicted of who to help, sidious begins to say"help me anakin I'm too weak, a feeble frail old man ahhhh" and gives out. Then the moment anakin turns to the darkside the prior stated completely drained and fatigued sidious, springs to life shouting "ULTIMATE POWAAAAHHHH" and proceeds to produce more lightening then he everdid prior that fight in a matter of seconds, on top of this he then casually force flicks windu hundreds of meters out the window to his death.
Sidious then backflips to his feet, joyous and energetic, showing not a sign of fatigue or injury.
Yeah I call that feigning defeat, throwing the fight.
I know people are uber-excited about Galen right now, but the notion that he would beat Mace just because he has superior prowess with the force, honestly made me chuckle. Maybe y'all forgot, but Mace already beat a guy [Sidious] who was not only superior to himself with the force, but was also far superior to (dark Jedi) Galen. It's called Vaapad. Look it up.
Anywho, Team 1 wins. RotS Obi-Wan =/> RotS Vader, and Mace > Galen *thanks Vaapad*.
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but Mace already beat a guy [Sidious] who was not only superior to himself with the force, but was also far superior to (dark Jedi) Galen. It's called Vaapad. Look it up.
First, if Sidious is far superior to Marek in the Force, then he's also lightyears beyond Mace as well.
Second, the Sidious that Marek took on also had two decades' worth of time to enhance his studies of the Force and thus his strength in it.
Third, Windu had a lightsaber. If it was just bare-knuckle Force brawling, there's no indication that he would have lasted long enough to blink against someone like Sidious. It wasn't a strict Force match.
Originally posted by GideonI know you like defending Sidious, but none of what you said pertains to my comment. 😕
First, if Sidious is far superior to Marek in the Force, then he's also lightyears beyond Mace as well.Second, the Sidious that Marek took on also had two decades' worth of time to enhance his studies of the Force and thus his strength in it.
Third, Windu had a lightsaber. If it was just bare-knuckle Force brawling, there's no indication that he would have lasted long enough to blink against someone like Sidious. It wasn't a strict Force match.
Let me try this again (in a more 'Gideon-friendly' way 😛)... If being more powerful with the force is all it took to defeat Mace, then Sidious would have been able to easily do so... But, due to Mace's Vaapad, Sids didn't have the opportunity to use his superior offensive force powers, because he had to use said powers in other, more defensive ways, just to keep up with Mace.
See what I'm saying now?
Originally posted by Gideon
Third, Windu had a lightsaber. If it was just bare-knuckle Force brawling, there's no indication that he would have lasted long enough to blink against someone like Sidious. It wasn't a strict Force match.
Originally posted by EnyalusMace can still enter 'Vaapad-mode' without a saber (Vaapad is a state of mind, after all.) But without a saber, he would obviously become much less effective in battle.
I was under the impression that Windu needs no weapons in order to fully submerse himself in Vaapad. Do I have that wrong?
Originally posted by kodiak430Nah.
i believe the rots book says that sidious was holding back in the fight against windu.