Ganondorf(tp) vs. Hylden Lord(BO2)

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yep that's the scene I watched. He also says as the closeted thing 'was granted to me' that goes to:
-Question, do we know that Zant's powers are Ganon's powers or did he get powers because of Ganon?-
as nothing yet has said or proved otherwise and;
-When does Ganon show Zant's powers btw?-

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I had a laugh. You realise that by feats Ganondorf can solo LoK with his [b]fists, right? [/B]

The "zomg castle buster survival!" and "knocking the MS a few meterz!" feats being those in question? 😆 , its more the reverse with Kain instead of Dorf....

Originally posted by NemeBro
What's your point?

Be that true or not, it is not the magic Zant is using, so it is irrelevant. 🙂

Its not the magic hes using to move around and own Midna so thats true, but that does not mean hes not using other powers later connected with the twili. This is understandable because Ganons shown some light TK and has moved Midna around before, later on in the same game iirc actually after possessing Zelda so it makes sense.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not the magic hes using to move around and own Midna so thats true, but that does not mean hes not using other powers later connected with the twili. This is understandable because Ganons shown some light TK and has moved Midna around before, later on in the same game iirc actually after possessing Zelda so it makes sense.

Yeh you see whining and getting upset dont win you anything. All he says is hes using the magic of Ganon then, your the one adding the "has never used twili magic in the games" piece. Which by the sounds of midna, he can misuse their powers, it is possible or concievable.

The sum total of "his Gods power" is some weak TK.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh you see whining and getting upset dont win you anything. All he says is hes using the magic of Ganon then, your the one adding the "has never used twili magic in the games" piece. Which by the sounds of midna, he can misuse their powers, it is possible or concievable.

The sum total of "his Gods power" is some weak TK.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh you see whining and getting upset dont win you anything. All he says is hes using the magic of Ganon then, your the one adding the "has never used twili magic in the games" piece. Which by the sounds of midna, he can misuse their powers, it is possible or concievable.

The sum total of "his Gods power" is some weak TK.....

Prove your claim or shut the **** up.

Say what you need to make your thrashing feel less sore, use some ice packs as well if it helps 🙂 the actual canon does not specifically state Zant cant, or does not use twili magic ever in the games. I can buy he does not use it then but your using one event to make up for the whole game, an event that can be argued as part of a personality conversation, e.g. even if Zant did use twili magic, he would not admit it to Midna if he wants her to feel helpess and pathetic would he? no....

common sense and logic out the window with you it seems...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon houses his power in Zant, nothing else. Everything Zant does is shit Ganon's been doing for years anyway, with the exception of the twilight fields which Zant can only do because of Ganon's power. Otherwise the Twili would have escaped millenia ago. 😐

Originally posted by BloodRain
Is kinda the thing. Its said he got powers from Ganon not Ganon's powers. (May not sound like it in that wording but there is a difference) Like the Twilight field that Ganon cant do by himself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Say what you need to make your thrashing feel less sore, use some ice packs as well if it helps 🙂 the actual canon does not specifically state Zant cant, or does not use twili magic ever in the games. I can buy he does not use it then but your using one event to make up for the whole game, an event that can be argued as part of a personality conversation, e.g. even if Zant did use twili magic, he would not admit it to Midna if he wants her to feel helpess and pathetic would he? no....

common sense and logic out the window with you it seems...

Shit logic, like all your logic.

No. I will not prove a negative.

Prove up or shut up.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So we should assume that he does when the only evidence we has is him denying he does?

Shit logic, like all your logic.

No. I will not prove a negative.

Prove up or shut up.

When did I assume he does, I said we cant assume he doesnt.

My logic is perfect as always, the only logic I would argue with is why I bother with the ignorant.

Youve asked me to prove them before. Your the one whos made the claim that hes not or does not use twili magic, the burdon of proof is on you and so far your only evidence is Zant telling Midna incredously that he is not using it. Thats not to say he never has, does or will do.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Can't do by himself? Lolwut? That power was fully facilitated by Ganondorf. 😐

iirc it was mentioned at some point that Zant only had a porition of Ganondorfs power but I am not so sure, how do we know he does not have all of it?

In case we didn't cover this already, Zant said "Our magic" because there was more to that sentence. "Our tribe's old magic."

This does not imply more than one person can use it. Merely that it belongs to the tribe. Zant is just some pathetic servant to that midna before he gets Ganon's power.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I cant recall Ganon's teleport and TKing or his Twilight power outside of what Zant displayed.

What states only a fraction?

Originally posted by Burning thought
When did I assume he does, I said we cant assume he doesnt.

My logic is perfect as always, the only logic I would argue with is why I bother with the ignorant.

Youve asked me to prove them before. Your the one whos made the claim that hes not or does not use twili magic, the burdon of proof is on you and so far your only evidence is Zant telling Midna incredously that he is not using it. Thats not to say he never has, does or will do.

I have played nearly every Zelda game, you have not played one. I am twice you intellectually.

Zant stated he was not using the Twilight Magic Midna thought he had been using their ancient power to take over Hyrule, but Zant denied this. Evidence for my side of the argument has been provided, how's about you start providing evidence for your claims?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Based on all objective evidence, he in all likelihood does not.

I have played nearly every Zelda game, you have not played one. I am twice you intellectually.

Zant stated he was not using the Twilight Magic Midna thought he had been using their ancient power to take over Hyrule, but Zant denied this. Evidence for my side of the argument has been provided, how's about you start providing evidence for your claims?

Clearly however your ignorant of language as a character who looks down on another is not always going to admit using its power therefore fallibility is important and furthermore a statement to Midna that only implies he did not use twilight magic does not mean he never does. Thats a hasty generalisation fallacy if I recall, one riding on the back of personality that can change fallibility.

Wait, where does it say they were talking about the whole of Hyrule? or the entirety of the game? this one section is not enough to assume he never used any twilight powers at all....that one denounce of twili magic from Zant does not say "I never have used twili magc". Hell even if he thinks its weak, he may be using it. Your assuming.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon's been teleporting and TKing since 1991. Teleporting since 1986, and the power to merge two dimensions cam direclty from Ganondorf, if the Twili could have done it, they wouldn't really have been sealed awy, would they? 😬 All of Zant's power comes from Ganon, it's a fraction of Ganon's own. 😐

Am only up to date on some of Ganon's recent feats. Though if he can I'm puzzled to why everyone brings ups Zants feats to talk about Ganon's if he has his own. Twilight thing can be done by Twili as they don't have enough power, Zant happened to become the strongest now and is able to. Not that Ganon can do it whenever he want, never been displayed or hinted to.

Above is also true, Ganons never been displayed to be able to do so. If Zant has more capability, or his overall knowledge of his own twili world is in effect then it makes sense he may be able to do more with Ganons power than Ganon can in these cirumstances.