Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Read my post above, you are the one making the assumption, that the Triforce is comprised of all of the Goddesses' power.2. All that is?
It was said they created Hyrule, nothing more, with Din creating the earth, Nayru creating the laws/physics of the earth, and Farore creating life. They combined their power, to create one planet.
Where is the source for your translation? You cannot just post a quote, give me the link. Because the video if the creation of Hyrule not only states dear boy, but shows a mere planet being created.
3. Ignoring video evidence? You mean the video Scenario posted? Lol hyperbole. I suppose that any character stated to be omnipotent must be. Odin is now omnipotent, I guess the Blade of Olympus is all-powerful as well, so many characters or items have had this claimed, the three Goddesses are not omnipotent, why would their creation be?
Also, keep the insults to a minimum please, it is quite rude to insult your intellectual betters.
Is this uneducated swine still talking? *sigh* Let me correct you.... again...
1. Congratz, Captain Obvious. 😬
2. You are completely and utterly wrong, as usual. Notice that in the very cutscene of creation in OoT, you see Nayru create the heavenly bodies (the sun, if you watch the cutscene). So no, it's not just a "single planet". "All that is" is a direct translation from the Japanese manual of LttP on the matter of Hyrule's creation. The "distant nebula" is nowhere to be found in the Japanese version.
3. You know what the difference is? All of the things you mentioned have been proven that they don't live up to their "omnipotence". Show me one quote or instance where the Trueforce failed to do something and this discussion will be over (assuming you aren't wrong again).
Originally posted by The Scenario
Show scans or it didn't happen.
Since everyone likes to use logic and reality and shit to back Link and LoZ's feats up, logically, a godly time paradox would destroy the MS.
Even if it didn't, 5L claiming the SR is crap because it can be broken is stupid, as far superior weapons then the MS and the SR have been broken.
Originally posted by LLLLLink1. So you admit that you were wrong and it was not formed by all their power?
Is this uneducated swine still talking? *sigh* Let me correct you.... again...1. Congratz, Captain Obvious. 😬
2. You are completely and utterly wrong, as usual. Notice that in the very cutscene of creation in OoT, you see Nayru create the heavenly bodies (the sun, if you watch the cutscene). So no, it's not just a "single planet". "All that is" is a direct translation from the Japanese manual of LttP on the matter of Hyrule's creation. The "distant nebula" is nowhere to be found in the Japanese version.
3. You know what the difference is? All of the things you mentioned have been proven that they don't live up to their "omnipotence". Show me one quote or instance where the Trueforce failed to do something and this discussion will be over (assuming you aren't wrong again).
2. I will give you the sun, even though all that was directly stated were the laws. So they created a planet, and a sun. That is not even within a single percentage of the space within a single galaxy, probably not even the solar system actually, and is STILL not sufficient proof of a true, "omnipotent being.". You still have yet to provide a link, or are you fluent in Japanese and able to translate it yourself? All that is could be hyperbole, and all that is could not be very much at all, or most probable, it likely refers to all that is Hyrule. OoT states that the Goddesses descended from the Heavens (Which means something already existed at this point by the way) and turned the chaos that was Hyrule into, well, Hyrule. OoT was the most in-depth explanation for the creation of the world yet, and it shows nothing more than the world, and the sun being created, with the Goddesses then departing back for the Heavens, this is also shown.
3. Three Goddesses had to combine their powers to create the world. 😐 That is the proof there, they cannot be omnipotent because they each required eachother's aid to create a single world, and do not try to say that together they are omnipotent, you cannot add up to a sum of infinity without one of the additions being infinite itself.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
"As long as you hold the Ocarina of Time and the Master Sword, you hold time itself in your hands...""The Master Sword is a ship with which you can sail upstream and downstream through time's river..."
I don't think that Time is an issue for the MS.
All that says is Link can travel through time =|
If Link, say, went back in time and killed whoever made the MS, the MS would cease to exist. Prove it would survive something like that plz.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
All that says is Link can travel through time =|If Link, say, went back in time and killed whoever made the MS, the MS would cease to exist. Prove it would survive something like that plz.
There's the Song of Storms paradox, at least. Guru-Guru teaches it to Link in the future, and claims that green clothed boy taught it to him. Link then uses the Master Sword to go back in time and teach the song to Guru-Guru.
There was also the end of the game game where Zelda sent Link back in time, Sword and all, to warn everyone about Ganondorf. Ganondorf is arrested and the Master Sword never needed to be drawn. That one actually broke time, and there's even a scene of child Link returning the Master Sword to its pedestal.
Originally posted by The Scenario
There's the Song of Storms paradox, at least. Guru-Guru teaches it to Link in the future, and claims that green clothed boy taught it to him. Link then uses the Master Sword to go back in time and teach the song to Guru-Guru.There was also the end of the game game where Zelda sent Link back in time, Sword and all, to warn everyone about Ganondorf. Ganondorf is arrested and the Master Sword never needed to be drawn. That ojne actually broke time, and there's even a scene of child Link returning the Master Sword to its pedestal.
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k. You've proven point. Congratulations. You just passed your Grade 12 Final.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. So you admit that you were wrong and it was not formed by all their power?2. I will give you the sun, even though all that was directly stated were the laws. So they created a planet, and a sun. That is not even within a single percentage of the space within a single galaxy, probably not even the solar system actually, and is STILL not sufficient proof of a true, "omnipotent being.". You still have yet to provide a link, or are you fluent in Japanese and able to translate it yourself? All that is could be hyperbole, and all that is could not be very much at all, or most probable, it likely refers to all that is Hyrule. OoT states that the Goddesses descended from the Heavens (Which means something already existed at this point by the way) and turned the chaos that was Hyrule into, well, Hyrule. OoT was the most in-depth explanation for the creation of the world yet, and it shows nothing more than the world, and the sun being created, with the Goddesses then departing back for the Heavens, this is also shown.
3. Three Goddesses had to combine their powers to create the world. 😐 That is the proof there, they cannot be omnipotent because they each required eachother's aid to create a single world, and do not try to say that together they are omnipotent, you cannot add up to a sum of infinity without one of the additions being infinite itself.
So basically, because the 3 goddesses each had a hand in the creation of their domain, you believe that is grounds to dismiss their combined essence as incapable, huh? They could've combined their power only to show special significance for Hyrule and her people. You don't see such treatment for the sun being created.
Also, space (and the stars therein) was also created by the goddesses. You can see that there is no 'space' or other heavenly bodies during the creation cutscene; only chaos. Heavenly bodies didn't appear until Nayru gave law, so by that evidence, it is easy to believe that if one star was made, that the rest of them were certainly in their domain. But that's my opinion.
Here is a literal translation from the Japanese LttP manual:
"In books left behind for their Hyrulean decendants by the once closest people to the gods, the Hylians (the root word for Hyrule), it is written that the three gods, the "god of power", the "god of wisdom," and the "god of courage," created the state of heaven and earth."
On top of all that, the Trueforce is their combined essence, so that whole point is void anyway.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkThe timeline was split far after the MS' creation. 😐
Because according to the split timeline, that would only affect the MS of that timeline's future. The MS of the timeline that "Link" came from would be unaffected. That's what they say, anyway. Anything more than that is a timeline discussion.
Originally posted by The ScenarioHe always had the connection to the power he just activated it when he needed to and did so twice. He failed once and succeeded once. Right after he succeeded despite his connections to the triforce he still got bfr'd out of hyrule until Zant decided to back him.
No, again. I have explained this before. First, the Sages made both of those swords, the Master Sword and the other one. The Master Sword was made at the direction of the goddesses. Second, they stabbed Ganondorf before he had the Triforce of Power. Hey, Kain was stabbed before he was a vampire, too, and he died, so that's the exact same thing.Can you prove that one? We don't even know if Ganondorf died there, since he's come back from much worse. I could give you an example of Ganondorf being fine without the Triforce of Power, but alas, that's another game. When the Heart of Darkness was removed, Kain stayed a vampire. Not the same as Ganondorf, who would lose his power.
I already said this. Being in contact with the Master Sword cancels his powers. If Ganondorf's head was removed, it would result in the giant god head form if he wasn't still touching the sword. When Ganondorf was stabbed, the sword remained in him and prevented his power from working. As long as the sword isn't touching him, he's fine.
He kicked Midna's ass six ways to the Sacred Realm. The castle exploded a long time after Midna's attack (you can see a pulse of energy that's colored the same as Midna's attack, but the castle explodes long after that ends), and then Ganondorf was there with her Fused Shadows. His power won, and he destroyed the castle.
His nature as the Scion of Balance allows him to survive.
Kain's role as the scion of balance makes him unique and that's why he remained alive and a vampire. Dorf needs an outside power source to remain formidable but like I said it takes time and what he actually did in this game wasn't that impressive.
I don't think he's fine and we saw him wounded by the sages and still defeated though not killed in any event with access to the triforce.
I think the result of her power and his destroyed the castle and anything we saw prior to or after was far less than castel destroying power from Dorf himself.
Originally posted by FinalAnswerHe was weak after the Hylden defeated him. He wasn't weakened before when they actually fought and wasn't weakened when he fought him again at the end of the game. Umah saved him from the Hylden because she knew he was still too weak to stand up to him and needed to get him out of the area. The Hylden was hunting him down and he was too headstrong to realize at the time he couldn't beat the Hylden general at this point. When he was back to his full power he was a matchup for the Hylden Lord but never when he was weak. I have no idea why you keep bringing him being weak up because it's a point made in the game Kain needs his strength back to even challenge him.
That's kewl. What else?Except Umah went and stated Kain was weak and he lost his powers.
No. The fact that the Hylden Lord fought Kain using only the sword, which was gimped by the Nexus Stone, gave the Hylden Lord an easier win.
Originally posted by PhanterosListen and listen good I only allow Dorf's feats from this game to count and it's obvious he was clueless about the master sword and a variety of things in this game so don't act like each Dorf has previous memories of everything. It's theory either way
Then why the hell are you even arguing this? Ganodorf is the same character throught the series and only Link and Zelda change.
Listen and listen good I only allow Dorf's feats from this game to count and it's obvious he was clueless about the master sword and a variety of things in this game so don't act like each Dorf has previous memories of everything. It's theory either way
Ganon is factually the same guy in every game he's in, period.
Also, lol@castle busting, 'Dorf's a full on island buster who's frozen over entire cities on multiple occasions, and turned off the sun, and created a world wide storm, both with his power severely limmited.
So, whether or not you "allow" them, it's not theory. Also, Ganon still lolrapestomps the poor Hylden boy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was weak after the Hylden defeated him. He wasn't weakened before when they actually fought and wasn't weakened when he fought him again at the end of the game. Umah saved him from the Hylden because she knew he was still too weak to stand up to him and needed to get him out of the area. The Hylden was hunting him down and he was too headstrong to realize at the time he couldn't beat the Hylden general at this point. When he was back to his full power he was a matchup for the Hylden Lord but never when he was weak. I have no idea why you keep bringing him being weak up because it's a point made in the game Kain needs his strength back to even challenge him.
By the end of BO2, he was still weaker then he was at the end of BO, simply because he didn't have the spells he had in BO. BO spells > BO2 spells. Kain never got those spells back. So no, he wasn't really "back" at fullpower, he simply got newer, albeit weaker spells and I do believe got physically more capable, or something, and managed to defeat the Hylden Lord.