Originally posted by quanchi112
Why can't any o fyou quit discussing oot or any other zelda when I continually ask you to leave them out.
Because Ganondorf is a multigame being and I'm sick of Twilight Princess matches.
I won't really read this until I beat it.
But he still had it against Link and like before only accessed it when he was beaten and needed to. He only accesses it when he needs to.
5:50, there was a close up of his hand and the Triforce fading. He didn't channel it; he didn't do anything.
2:20, there was a close up of his hand and the Triforce appearing. He didn't channel it; he didn't do anything.
I copy and pasted her exact words when this question was addressed.
This not a link.
The heart is what gave him his vampiric powers.
So? That doesn't mean removing it will cure him.
Ariel is only the balance guardian not the scion of a balance. There's a huge difference.
No, I am not disallowing it but my point is Kain's more unique, his role, his powers, etc. than Dorf's whose greatest powers are dependent on an outside power source.
Nah, Kain's just a strong vampire with no free will. Ganondorf is the Demon Theif that stole Power from the Gods.
He accessed it and still had it against Link and only accessed it again when he was impaled again and was screwed without it.
See the videos. He didn't access it either time. It just happened.
Speculation.
It's pretty much fact.
YouTube video
2:05, Midna attacks.
3:30, Castle explodes a full 30 seconds later.
3:55, Ganondorf crushes Fused Shadows as a show of power.
Any way you look at it, Midna did not cause that explosion.
It can reverse/protect transformation and shoot some light beams, as far as I have seen its not much more useful than that other than having its games equivalent of +10 damage to evil.
You can say this all you want; it won't make it right. You're just stuck on the fact that it's more subtle than the Soul Reaver. It repels evil and cancels evil power.
Originally posted by The ScenarioIf events occur differently to different Ganondorfs that makes it different Ganondorfs. Unlike Ganondorf Kain has all the memories of his experiences from previous games in defiance. The Dorf who fought Link was clueless about the master sword so this is his first run in with it in this reality.
Because Ganondorf is a multigame being and I'm sick of Twilight Princess matches.It's not a spoiler. In fact, it's near the beginning.
No, he didn't.
5:50, there was a close up of his hand and the Triforce fading. He didn't channel it; he didn't do anything.
2:20, there was a close up of his hand and the Triforce appearing. He didn't channel it; he didn't do anything.
This not a link.
So? That doesn't mean removing it will cure him.
Which is? Kain has to die so that the pillars will be restored. If he can't die, that's a collossal screw up.
Nah, Kain's just a strong vampire with no free will. Ganondorf is the Demon Theif that stole Power from the Gods.
See the videos. He didn't access it either time. It just happened.
It's pretty much fact.
YouTube video2:05, Midna attacks.
3:30, Castle explodes a full 30 seconds later.
3:55, Ganondorf crushes Fused Shadows as a show of power.Any way you look at it, Midna did not cause that explosion.
You can say this all you want; it won't make it right. You're just stuck on the fact that it's more subtle than the Soul Reaver. It repels evil and cancels evil power.
I didn't read it people throw too much in there so I refuse to read it.
Yes, in the video he tried to access it and it failed him all the while Link just stood there while he was open to more attacks.
I guess we disagree the point is once it worked and once it failed and the fact is both times it took an amount of time leaving him completely defenseless.
You don't trust me?
No, originally that's what is thought but he needs to restore the pillars to vampire guardianship. The world of nosgoth need to go through terrible times for him to achieve his destiny.
Dorf is destined to lose and Link is destined to win every single time pretty much. Kain had to deal with Raziel who had free will and still came out on top. Dorf is destined to be a failure while Kain is destined to be a success.
Removing it would kill him but since he's the scion of balance it did not.
It took him whether you believe he consciously accessed it or not. That's always been my point.
He came out on top and we don't see what actually happens so to assume it was only dorf's power without proof is speculation. You really like Dorf so of course he did it all but it's inconclusive either way.
In terms of the games from what I have played the soulreaver makes you much more formidable than the master sword.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If events occur differently to different Ganondorfs that makes it different Ganondorfs. Unlike Ganondorf Kain has all the memories of his experiences from previous games in defiance. The Dorf who fought Link was clueless about the master sword so this is his first run in with it in this reality.
Different memories, same powersets.
I didn't read it people throw too much in there so I refuse to read it.
Fine.
Yes, in the video he tried to access it and it failed him all the while Link just stood there while he was open to more attacks.
He did not access it because he didn't need to. The Triforce of Power is a passive increase and in that instance the Master Sword was canceling it out. The Hylden lord does not have the Master Sword, so the Triforce of Power will not fail.
I guess we disagree the point is once it worked and once it failed and the fact is both times it took an amount of time leaving him completely defenseless.
No, it worked at least 4 times. The first was against the Sages where it revived him. The second was when Midna separated him from Zelda and his particles reformed into Beast Ganon. The third was when Beast Ganon was destroyed and he came back in his God Ganon form. And finally, after he destroyed the castle, he reformed yet another Gerudo body. None of these took long at all.
The Triforce of Power is 4 for 5, and the one time it didn't work was when it was up against an artifact designed to counter it, directly after working 3 times in quick succession. You are trying to take an exeption and make the rule in an effort to downplay Ganondorf. I'll tell you what: The Hylden Lord can win if he manages to kill Ganondorf 5 times, since thus far that seems to be his ressurection limit. Think he can do it?
You don't trust me?
I don't trust unbacked claims. I simply don't like them.
No, originally that's what is thought but he needs to restore the pillars to vampire guardianship. The world of nosgoth need to go through terrible times for him to achieve his destiny.
All the other corrupted guardians needed to die to restore their pillars. Even at the end of the series the pillars haven't been restored, because Kain isn't dead. It doesn't make any sense for the pillar to keep him from dying.
Dorf is destined to lose and Link is destined to win every single time pretty much. Kain had to deal with Raziel who had free will and still came out on top. Dorf is destined to be a failure while Kain is destined to be a success.
Is this supposed to matter? Kain did not come out on top of Raziel. Raziel chose to defy destiny and not kill Kain. Kain was, in fact, destined to lose there, and he only came out on top because Raziel chose to help him in the end. Kain's destiny is to die.
And please, don't talk about Ganondorf like that when you really don't know the series. Ganondorf is destined to return, every time. He cannot be stopped, only slowed down.
Removing it would kill him but since he's the scion of balance it did not.
I'm fairly certain vampires have survived worse. Magnus, I believe, survived having his scalp removed and his brain exposed, as well as having most of his internal organs hanging from him.
It took him whether you believe he consciously accessed it or not. That's always been my point.
Took him what? Time? No, it really didn't.
He came out on top and we don't see what actually happens so to assume it was only dorf's power without proof is speculation. You really like Dorf so of course he did it all but it's inconclusive either way.
Midna and Fused Shadows hasn't demonstrated that level of power, but the Triforce of Power has before. Even if it was combined, Ganondorf's power is clearly portrayed as being far superior. The Hylden Lord won't survive a half-castle buster anyway.
In terms of the games from what I have played the soulreaver makes you much more formidable than the master sword.
The Master Sword is more formidable against evil.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtTwilight Princess.
The only time he apprently collapsed his castle was when he was also supposedly dead and all it did was shake and collapse. Theres no forceful blast or quick attack concerned with any apprent "busting" that Ganondorf can do.
Also, in Hyrule, destroying the top of the tower in the initial burst is greater than any destruction feat of Kain or the Lawd.
5L? Weren't we arguing about something yesterday? I dun't wanna go back and look for the last post.
Originally posted by The ScenarioDifferent experiences, different mindset, different Links, different ganondorfs.
Different memories, same powersets.Fine.
He did not access it because he didn't need to. The Triforce of Power is a passive increase and in that instance the Master Sword was canceling it out. The Hylden lord does not have the Master Sword, so the Triforce of Power will not fail.
No, it worked at least 4 times. The first was against the Sages where it revived him. The second was when Midna separated him from Zelda and his particles reformed into Beast Ganon. The third was when Beast Ganon was destroyed and he came back in his God Ganon form. And finally, after he destroyed the castle, he reformed yet another Gerudo body. None of these took long at all.
The Triforce of Power is 4 for 5, and the one time it didn't work was when it was up against an artifact designed to counter it, directly after working 3 times in quick succession. You are trying to take an exeption and make the rule in an effort to downplay Ganondorf. I'll tell you what: The Hylden Lord can win if he manages to kill Ganondorf 5 times, since thus far that seems to be his ressurection limit. Think he can do it?
I don't trust unbacked claims. I simply don't like them.
All the other corrupted guardians needed to die to restore their pillars. Even at the end of the series the pillars haven't been restored, because Kain isn't dead. It doesn't make any sense for the pillar to keep him from dying.
Is this supposed to matter? Kain did not come out on top of Raziel. Raziel chose to defy destiny and not kill Kain. Kain was, in fact, destined to lose there, and he only came out on top because Raziel chose to help him in the end. Kain's destiny is to die.
And please, don't talk about Ganondorf like that when you really don't know the series. Ganondorf is destined to return, every time. He cannot be stopped, only slowed down.
I'm fairly certain vampires have survived worse. Magnus, I believe, survived having his scalp removed and his brain exposed, as well as having most of his internal organs hanging from him.
Took him what? Time? No, it really didn't.
Midna and Fused Shadows hasn't demonstrated that level of power, but the Triforce of Power has before. Even if it was combined, Ganondorf's power is clearly portrayed as being far superior. The Hylden Lord won't survive a half-castle buster anyway.
The Master Sword is more formidable against evil.
In these threads Dorf can die outside the master sword. When he is sitting there at the mercy of his opponent he will be done in. If you sit there defenseless and unable to defend yourself you get killed.
Again, we don't see the triforce symbol lighting up for these other moments because he wasn't mortally wounded like against the sages or against Link.
Dorf would be killed in a forum fight against the sages had they pressed him. Here you can kill the opponent outside plot devices and what not and all you have to do it mortally wound him and it takes time for the power to bring him back into the fight. The Hylden Lord would tear him apart.
It's not an unbacked claim I didn't put up the link but I copy and pasted exactly what she said.
Kain wasn't trying to kill Raziel and ripping his heart out would have killed anyone else. he also thought he did kill Kain and was possessed at the time so please don't act as if you actually know about the circumstances since it's obvious you don't here.
Raziel had free will and his actions still didn't stop Kain. No one in zelda has free will and dorf always loses.
It's different dorfs so who cares. It's not like he learns from his mistakesand is the same one each time Dorf loses so who cares. The funny thing is in tp he didn't even know what the master sword was. he was completely off guard against the sword designed to beat him so according to bad guys and intelligence this guy is about as dumb and as unprepared as they get. In tp he was completely stupid and beaten every which way.
He will always lose and they aren't the same ones and he never gets any better and is always destined to be a loser.
Ok, that's not the same as having his heart ripped out which was the sole reason he became a vampire in the first place. he's the scion of balance so he can survive minus his heart.
Yes, it really did. If it didn't take him time he would have broken out instantly but he didn't until we saw the symbol light up he was just sitting there completely helpless.
Dorf is superior to her but in all of his battles on screen prior to in this game he didn't show anywhere near castle level destroying power.
Not. At. All. The soulreaver is more formidable against any threat.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeSoulreaver makes you unkillable the master sword doesn't. Soulreaver can take your soul the master sword cannot. It's not even a contest nor has it ever been which sword is greater in these games.
SUPAR EFFEKTIVE against evil is in fact > against evil than the Soul Reaver.
The Master Sword lets you travel through time. The Master Sword protects you from evil magic, which is actually the only kind of magic you fight being a hero. The Master Sword can break curses simply by being near you. And since Ganon is easily more powerful than Kain, it could probably pin down the power of the Soul Reaver.
Fact is, the Soul Reaver is only more versatile, more powerful it is not.
Edit: Wait, you aren't going to say it makes you unkillable because nobody has ever defeated it's wielder, right? 'cause, the same could be said of the Master Sword.
Originally posted by NemeBroSARAFAN LORD
Defiance.Now prove it.
KAIN
But I have not yet made my choice –
Kain takes the Nexus Stone, and hurtles it into the Gate. The Gate proceeds, ever so slowly, to implode.
SARAFAN LORD
No – No – No –
He now attacks "Kain" with the Soul Reaver at close range.
SERAPHAN LORD
As long as I wield the Reaver, I am immortal!
not subject to death
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeWhich game does the master sword let you travel in time other than oot?
The Master Sword lets you travel through time. The Master Sword protects you from evil magic, which is actually the only kind of magic you fight being a hero. The Master Sword can break curses simply by being near you. And since Ganon is easily more powerful than Kain, it could probably pin down the power of the Soul Reaver.Fact is, the Soul Reaver is only more versatile, more powerful it is not.
Edit: Wait, you aren't going to say it makes you unkillable because nobody has ever defeated it's wielder, right? 'cause, the same could be said of the Master Sword.
Ganon couldn't tie Kain's left boostrap. Seriously, it's a noncontest between these two. I see ganon as a junior varisty player while Kain is the varsity captain. He has been around for thousands of years with entire armies after him an dyet he comes out on top whereas Dorf loses to kids, different Links, and hasn't I bet ruled for at least 100 years. He ruled in oot for 7 years.
No, it's stated in the game you cannot be beaten with the reaver unless you have the nexus stone.
Originally posted by quanchi112Maybe Kain is too much of a pussy to defeat him while he has the Reaver, considered that? 🙂
SARAFAN LORD
Do you still believe you can prevail? While you posses the Nexus Stone, my sword cannot slay you. But while you bear the stone to shield your life, you cannot use it to destroy the Gate. Stalemate, Kain. And mine is the waiting game. As long as I have not lost, in time, I am sure to win.KAIN
But I have not yet made my choice –Kain takes the Nexus Stone, and hurtles it into the Gate. The Gate proceeds, ever so slowly, to implode.
SARAFAN LORD
No – No – No –He now attacks "Kain" with the Soul Reaver at close range.
SERAPHAN LORD
As long as I wield the Reaver, I am immortal!not subject to death