Black Adam vs Power Girl and Wonder Woman

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you really this dense? Speed of light is mach 881000, not mach 890.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_number#High-speed_flow_around_objects

I don't even know where you got this retarded idea that mach 890 is speed of light.

Yeah,no. You are just being dense again. Jay outright says that he was approaching lightspeed when Adam is just behind him in the scan I posted. You're reading too much in the scan with height difference and what not.

Mr. Terrific outright states that Jay was still amped. I don't know why you are outright discarding on panel proofs. He wasn't amped in ancient egypt and that's why Adam looked much closer to him when he approached speed of light.

Are you for real?? Seriously?? Your the one who used the figure of Mach 890 as the speed of light, I quoted you. I said it's between Mach 825 and Mach 890 which is more accurate. Sound needs air to move through and what we call Mach speed is when the object moves faster than the medium will allow. The actual speed of the sound barrier varies with air density altitude etc. light is not so restricted so it has no barrier to pass. As a strict measurement you can't put an actual Mach speed on light.

You call me dense for correcting your own misinformation and the. Shoot down the validity of your own credability by giving a link that proves your previous post false. And I'm dense? That's rich dude real rich.

Come back to me when you finish 6th grade and buy a clue. You can't even interpret the simplist of story principles Ina drawn medium and constantly throw in feats to support one stance that actually support the other

In the scan Jay stated he's approaching light speed ( not approached) and BA is clearly in the background the way every comic has ever Ina visual medium depicted distance. In the next owner ( Jay still not quite at light speed) of your own scan BA is even further behind. Only a dolt would not recognize the different sizes as a distance. Finally Jay for the second time in a few issues achieves light speed and again BA no where in sight.

The scan with Terrific saying that unfortunately wasn't just before they did it. Jay went home had a heart to heart with his wife etc. all this was between the two scans. And if he was so amped why was the result the exact same a few issues later?? Let to of the straw your going to drown clutching it.

^Pretty sure you're missing the last three 0's in the zeroth, tens and hundreds digits. Also pretty sure you're not correctly reading what abhi is writing either.

Originally posted by beatboks
Are you for real?? Seriously?? Your the one who used the figure of Mach 890 as the speed of light, I quoted you. I said it's between Mach 825 and Mach 890 which is more accurate. Sound needs air to move through and what we call Mach speed is when the object moves faster than the medium will allow. The actual speed of the sound barrier varies with air density altitude etc. light is not so restricted so it has no barrier to pass. As a strict measurement you can't put an actual Mach speed on light.

You call me dense for correcting your own misinformation and the. Shoot down the validity of your own credability by giving a link that proves your previous post false. And I'm dense? That's rich dude real rich.

Come back to me when you finish 6th grade and buy a clue. You can't even interpret the simplist of story principles Ina drawn medium and constantly throw in feats to support one stance that actually support the other

In the scan Jay stated he's approaching light speed ( not approached) and BA is clearly in the background the way every comic has ever Ina visual medium depicted distance. In the next owner ( Jay still not quite at light speed) of your own scan BA is even further behind. Only a dolt would not recognize the different sizes as a distance. Finally Jay for the second time in a few issues achieves light speed and again BA no where in sight.

The scan with Terrific saying that unfortunately wasn't just before they did it. Jay went home had a heart to heart with his wife etc. all this was between the two scans. And if he was so amped why was the result the exact same a few issues later?? Let to of the straw your going to drown clutching it.

What misinformation? You say that lightspeed is mach 850, what else am I supposed to tell you? That you're a genius and made a breakthrough in science?

I've passed 6th grade a long time ago. Call me back when you can multiply two numbers. Here is the numerical value of mach 890. Speed of sound is 1225 kph.

1225*890=1090250 kph.

Speed of light is 1079252850 kph. Do you see the difference now? Or should I have to call a mod now for such a trivial matter?

Yeah, he's in background just behind Jay. That means when Jay was approaching lightspeed he was just a few steps behind. Not that the artist was thinking about depth perception and he was travelling at a random speed. Get a clue.

He went to Joan, but there was no indication that he spent the amp in that time.

Bottom line is that there is no indication that Adam is stronger than cap and cap is more durable or faster than cap. I know you've somehow convinced comicvine by a scan which shows nothing of that sort, but this isn't comicvine.

Originally posted by abhilegend
LOLWUT? I never said its Mach 890. I said its Mach 890000. I can't take anybody seriously who at this point is so rigid in his views that he flat out refuses scientific facts. Speed of light is Mach 881000 in the vacuum. That's the speed of light taken in fiction generally. When someone goes lightspeed, it is assumed he goes 186000 miles/second which Jay points out in the same scan. At this point you're going into h1a8 category with make believe category.

What misinformation? You say that lightspeed is mach 850, what else am I supposed to tell you? That you're a genius and made a breakthrough in science?

I've passed 6th grade a long time ago. Call me back when you can multiply two numbers. Here is the numerical value of mach 890. Speed of sound is 1225 kph.

1225*890=1090250 kph.

Speed of light is 1079252850 kph. Do you see the difference now? Or should I have to call a mod now for such a trivial matter?

Yeah, he's in background just behind Jay. That means when Jay was approaching lightspeed he was just a few steps behind. Not that the artist was thinking about depth perception and he was travelling at a random speed. Get a clue.

He went to Joan, but there was no indication that he spent the amp in that time.

Bottom line is that there is no indication that Adam is stronger than cap and cap is more durable or faster than cap. I know you've somehow convinced comicvine by a scan which shows nothing of that sort, but this isn't comicvine.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I think he's missing the last 3 zeroes at the end of the 881/890 figure you gave in your previous posts. That and the fact that he seems to be possessed of a similar line of thought as Colossus-Big C doesn't help his case either.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd give adam a slight majority over ww, but she would def beat him for a few. i'd say the biggest difference would be durability, not strength or speed. give her sword and shield as well as lasso and i'd say it's a pretty dead heat.

This sums up my feelings on the subject. Add in PG and the team takes a heavy majority.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it looks like he can't see the last three zeroes. The alternative is too absurd.

Yeah I missed the last three zeros, probably because I always think of light speed in Kilometers/second while i think of mach speed as meters/second (like I would assume most people do, i.e simplify the figure). So I think of light speed as just under 300,000km/second where sound is 340m/s. I suspect either the writer or editor made a similar mistake because when you look at the scan where it says mach 500 there is an aimless comma just after the figure.

Doesn't change the fact that BA couldn't keep up with Jay even when he hadn't achieved light speed and was "by the images" well behind him. Nor does it change the fact that in several encounters with Jay during the period he wasn't even capable of anywhere near light speed BA was shown unable to react to Jay. We only have the one scan of BA ever being capable of doing so during Black Reign which is inconsistent with all the others.

In essence it changes nothing to the actual statement I made that BA is capable of over half light speed but not capable of attaining light speed.

Diana's best reaction feat i can recall was in a WW/Flash crossover. There was a speedster assassin who used a photonic weapon who was hired to kill Wally. She was shown able to tag him a few times and Dianna successfully defended some of her attacks (IIRC also got shot in the shoulder as well) and was able to put an arrow into the assassin that was thrown by hand. I don't believe her travel speed is superior to BA's but her reaction and combat speed certainly is.

As to thi BS about Jay being amped. The firhgt with rival was if I'm not mistaken 3 or 4 issues earlier. The scan you used of Holt saying jay had saken speed from Rival was page 8 and the "race" was page 11 after Jay went home and talked to his wife. There was a caption where eh thought he wasn't coming back this time. Joan was looking a t a photo and asked when will you talk about him. Jay then ran back to do the race. I don't ever recall wally (who's better at speed steal) being able to retain any amp that long so how would Jay

But again as I said I don't see the two of them as being able to do enough damage to him to put him down.His Durability is one of the nest in DCU and he also has an amazing Healing factor on top of that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_number#High-speed_flow_around_objects

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't even know where you got this retarded idea that mach 890 is speed of light.

Originally posted by beatboks
Yeah I missed the last three zeros, probably because I always think of light speed in Kilometers/second while i think of mach speed as meters/second (like I would assume most people do, i.e simplify the figure). So I think of light speed as just under 300,000km/second where sound is 340m/s. I suspect either the writer or editor made a similar mistake because when you look at the scan where it says mach 500 there is an aimless comma just after the figure.

But again as I said I don't see the two of them as being able to do enough damage to him to put him down.His Durability is one of the nest in DCU and he also has an amazing Healing factor on top of that.

Originally posted by Mindship
Dayum. It's actually listed somewhere. But I see they're using 761 mph for the speed of sound to get the 881,000 light-equivalent mach number. I was using 750 to get 890,000. Sometimes the speed of sound is listed as 741 mph (temperature difference), so I was using an average.

Maybe when I got fancy and posted "Kilomach 890"? That'll teach me to play with prefixes.

uhuh

Originally posted by leonidas
i already said earlier that the ladies take this, imo, for a heavy majority. i think BOTH women here are being underrated by several people.

Not me Leo, I'm the biggest Wonder Woman fanboy in this forum ever.

Originally posted by Q99
You're right, WW may be less strong, but there's no way she's half as strong, not going by her feats and judging by what she can do to Superman, her moon-and-earth pullings, and so on.

Diana does have a track record demonstrating going toe-to-toe with high heralds. Heck, she's gone HtH with Doomsday.

I agree.

Black Adam wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wins.

He can't beat Diana alone.

Originally posted by abhilegend

I don't recall anything like that. She has some very poor reaction feats regarding flashes. Not at all. I've read pretty much every wonder woman comic post crisis and she has never seemed on par with marvels to me in speed.

WW V2 #77 and #78. I just pulled the issues. I did however seriously miss remember it. The assassin was called mayfly. she did easily tag Wally with a few shots when he was trying to avoid. Diana however didn't dodge as i said. She fired an arrow into the barrel of mayfly's gun and was shot (in the shoulder as I'd said) when she did so. The other shots weren't dodged but limply wild shots. It also clearly stated in that issue when Diana roped Mayfly and she made a run for it that Dianna couldn't go anywhere near that fast.

Originally posted by beatboks
WW V2 #77 and #78. I just pulled the issues. I did however seriously miss remember it. The assassin was called mayfly. she did easily tag Wally with a few shots when he was trying to avoid. Diana however didn't dodge as i said. She fired an arrow into the barrel of mayfly's gun and was shot (in the shoulder as I'd said) when she did so. The other shots weren't dodged but limply wild shots. It also clearly stated in that issue when Diana roped Mayfly and she made a run for it that Dianna couldn't go anywhere near that fast.

That's a worse showing than anything I could remember from marvels.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Adam wins.

Now I remember! It's your posting that ended up convincing me that BA was a featless punk... Try debating using Billy's feats next time, the argument using BA's alone is rather fragile.

Originally posted by Q99
The instance Diana said was a scuffle and where she wasn't going all-out because she was too used to holding back

And he *did* KTFO J'onn, right before taking on Orion with only a bit more effort. Then Diana was actually

That's actually their *third* fight. The first was the off-screen one. The second one, DD simply one-shotted J'onn with no problem. After taking out Orion again. And then Diana was the only one who actually traded blows with him for awhile... at the end of which, she was *not* KTFO.

And sure, J'onn tackled DD later... one panel after DD'd been blasted by the Astro force. Kinda left that bit out.

WW's the only non-Superman in the entire story shown to be able to take a hit from him. And not just one, but repeated, even immediately after he took out multiple others.

Hahaha, wow. Fun fact: Not too long ago Abhil was vehemently arguing that Kalibak was stronger then Thor because he tossed him in one panel:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,254782.msg4259987.html#msg4259987

Just so you know how consistent you can expect this argument to be.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can't beat Diana alone.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha, wow. Fun fact: Not too long ago Abhil was vehemently arguing that Kalibak was stronger then Thor because he tossed him in one panel:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,254782.msg4259987.html#msg4259987

Just so you know how consistent you can expect this argument to be.