Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha, wow. Fun fact: Not too long ago Abhil was vehemently arguing that Kalibak was stronger then Thor because he tossed him in one panel:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,254782.msg4259987.html#msg4259987Just so you know how consistent you can expect this argument to be.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes you say so ?
Diana is more skilled and has better combat speed feats and reaction feats.
BA is not more than 2 times stronger. But she is more than 2 times skilled than him.
She can outhit him at least 5 to 1.
Originally posted by Delta1938Then debate. Rebut my argument.
Originally posted by h1a8He is stronger than she is, more ruthless, and more durable.
Diana is more skilled and has better combat speed feats and reaction feats.
BA is not more than 2 times stronger. But she is more than 2 times skilled than him.
She can outhit him at least 5 to 1.Then debate. Rebut my argument.
Prove she can outhit him 5-1. You just seem to pull numbers out of your sphincter.
Needing to outhit him 5-1 is pretty excessive. Outhitting, sure, but there should be no need for near that much. And she did outhit Superman in the HtH portions of Sacrifice, and outhit Power Girl. It's hard to say just what the ratio will be, but she is the most HtH skilled high herald in prereboot DC and is known for her fast armspeed/reflexes, while Adam isn't a martial artist and tends to be about even in hit ratio with CM.
On strength, heck, Diana's *mother* can leave high-heralds like Orion with a bloody lip from a single punch. It does strike me as silly the lengths people'll go to to deny that WW has herald-level strength despite regularly fighting and dishing damage to heralds, even high heralds.
Originally posted by Q99Not that hard to do when Superman was fighting an imaginary opponent who is 3 feet larger than her and keep missing her. Also Adam oneshotted PG in Black Reign and one time moved so fast that she couldn't even see him, its not a good comparison to make.
[B And she did outhit Superman in the HtH portions of Sacrifice, and outhit Power Girl.
It's hard to say just what the ratio will be, but she is the most HtH skilled high herald in prereboot DC and is known for her fast armspeed/reflexes, while Adam isn't a martial artist and tends to be about even in hit ratio with CM.She isn't a high herald to begin with.
On strength, heck, Diana's *mother* can leave high-heralds like Orion with a bloody lip from a single punch. It does strike me as silly the lengths people'll go to to deny that WW has herald-level strength despite regularly fighting and dishing damage to heralds, even high heralds. [/B]facepalm
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Not that hard to do when Superman was fighting an imaginary opponent who is 3 feet larger than her and keep missing her.
Nope! Never once did he aim somewhere she wasn't, *and* he avoided her lasso and such showing he visually recognized her weapons. He grabbed her wrist, not DD's huge wrist. He didn't try and strangle a 3-foot-across DD neck. He heatvisioned at her face and looked at her when they were face to face. There wasn't an illusionary-Doomsday over here.
This has been pointed out to you before. I know you don't like admitting you're wrong, but your argument is a mix of ignoring parts of the fight and latching on to things that are demonstrably not true.
She isn't a high herald to begin with.
She's just widely acknowledge as a close second to one of the strongest HH, fights as a peer to high heralds often, has wins against high heralds and trans, and tends to significantly outmatch solid mid-heralds when she fights them and all that isn't enough for HH in your book?
Your complex on WW is very persistent, but you just don't have the arguments, you just have a rejection of arguments.
Originally posted by Q99Really? Then tell me why he is aiming HV at clouds here.
Nope! Never once did he aim somewhere she wasn't,
*and* he avoided her lasso and such showing he visually recognized her weapons.Because Max was commanding her.
He grabbed her wrist, not DD's huge wrist. He didn't try and strangle a 3-foot-across DD neck. He heatvisioned at her face and looked at her when they were face to face. There wasn't an illusionary-Doomsday over here.He did all that a doomsday who was bigger than she was. Unless you think that Wonder Woman's arms are so big that she was able to slice his throat across the room.
Now recall how far they were when she slit his throat.
I'm describing the fight as it is. I know what are you trying to do here and you've been trying to do that for years. It wasn't true back the, its not true now.
This has been pointed out to you before. I know you don't like admitting you're wrong, but your argument is a mix of ignoring parts of the fight and latching on to things that are demonstrably not true.
She's just widely acknowledge as a close second to one of the strongest HH, fights as a peer to high heralds often, has wins against high heralds and trans, and tends to significantly outmatch solid mid-heralds when she fights them and all that isn't enough for HH in your book?Superman shits on her in strength, lets be honest. You could add all of her strength feats and that wouldn't equal his feats from any chosen years from last twenty years let alone all his feats. She has shitty record against mid heralds and high heralds. If you want I could post them all.
Your complex on WW is very persistent, but you just don't have the arguments, you just have a rejection of arguments.Oh really? Post her feats which show her as a high herald. I would be glad to shatter your delusions.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He is stronger than she is, more ruthless, and more durable.Prove she can outhit him 5-1. You just seem to pull numbers out of your sphincter.
She is more than twice more skilled. That gets her at least a 3 to 1 hit ratio. She has better reaction feats and combat speed feats. So she gets anywhere from 3 to 1 to 5 to 1 hit ratio on him.
If BA is stronger then he isn't twice as strong. WW has taken hits from the best of them and survived. If BA's durability is greater then it is by a very small amount.
Cap, Bat's, etc. has beaten beings many times their strength and durability using skill. WW and BA are much closer physically but the skill difference is the same.
Originally posted by h1a8So now the 5-1 is down to 3-1 but still without any evidence as to support your case.
She is more than twice more skilled. That gets her at least a 3 to 1 hit ratio. She has better reaction feats and combat speed feats. So she gets anywhere from 3 to 1 to 5 to 1 hit ratio on him.If BA is stronger then he isn't twice as strong. WW has taken hits from the best of them and survived. If BA's durability is greater then it is by a very small amount.
Cap, Bat's, etc. has beaten beings many times their strength and durability using skill. WW and BA are much closer physically but the skill difference is the same.
Again, you have no evidence just thoughts of delusion.