Yoda vs Anakin and Obi Wan vs Sidious

There is a chapter in Stover's novelization (I don't have it on hand, so someone may have to corroborate this) in which Kenobi and Yoda discuss the Jedi's way of sacrifice. Kenobi states that despite the deep relationship between himself and Yoda, if Yoda's death would bring the Clone Wars one day closer to its end, he would sacrifice Yoda for the greater good. Yoda's response is that he would do the exact same thing.

This does not undermine one of your points (Yoda's reverence for life), but instead serves to turn it against your conclusion. If Yoda had not shown restraint and continued to attack the Count, either killing him or capturing him, he would have actually saved a lot more lives in the long run. What Yoda did was beautifully ironic in that even he could not escape the attachment and affection he held for his prized pupil.

I'm sorry, but the examples are manifold: Yoda shows incredible restraint against the Count in both of their conversations, and despite certain advantages, Dooku is forced to retreat each time.

Had Yoda gone after Dooku like he did Sidious, then the Count wouldn't have stood a chance. There's simply too great of a gap between them.

Yes, Yoda managed to defeat Dooku in both their contests I am not disputing that and had Yoda gone after Dooku, Dooku would have died but in both of these battle Dooku managed to hold his own. Something he was unable to do against Anakin.

Ok I will agree, Yoda did have his personal attachment get in the way but it doesn't mean he held back, simply that he didn't have the power to completley finish it. Even if we accept the fact that Yoda was holding back against his pupil he still worked hard enough to be visibly exhausted after the saber battle.

In response to teleportation: Since no date has been ascribed to precisely when Sidious discovered the Force storm ability, it can be assumed Sidious would be capable of transporting himself to Mustafar if the event preceded ROTS. Of course, since Sidious has only been witnessed making use of Force storms circa 10 ABY, many would assert that the ability is exclusive to that era.

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
In response to teleportation: Since no date has been ascribed to precisely when Sidious discovered the Force storm ability, it can be assumed Sidious would be capable of transporting himself to Mustafar if the event preceded ROTS. Of course, since Sidious has only been witnessed making use of Force storms circa 10 ABY, many would assert that the ability is exclusive to that era.

Palpatine also stated that everything that transpired during his rise to power proceeded according to his plan, that he foresaw Maul's demise, and that he is the embodiment of the dark side of the Force itself.

Well then Palpatine is a dirty liar. IIRC he initially did not know of the clones and as we see in TPM novel he did not forsee Maul's demise. In fact he wonders how Maul died when he was more than a match for the two Jedi and even expreses some regret over his death.

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
Palpatine also stated that everything that transpired during his rise to power proceeded according to his plan, that he foresaw Maul's demise, and that he is the embodiment of the dark side of the Force itself.

Originally posted by Galan007
DE Palpatine also stated that he was stronger then he'd ever been. So yeah, I think it's logical to assume manifesting force storms was an ability he could only achieve at that level of power.

Unfortunately, assertions based on your own twisted logic are invalid.

Originally posted by ares834
Well then Palpatine is a dirty liar. IIRC he initially did not know of the clones and as we see in TPM novel he did not forsee Maul's demise. In fact he wonders how Maul died when he was more than a match for the two Jedi and even expreses some regret over his death.

He is. Remember when he lied about being to weak to kill Windu?

Originally posted by Shoes

He is. Remember when he lied about being to too weak to kill Windu? [/B]

your grammars is failed.

Originally posted by truejedi
your grammars is failed.

Spelling is not grammars.

Your right, you just fail in general

Originally posted by Shoes
Unfortunately, assertions based on your own twisted logic are invalid.

Prove Sidious learned the power at DE.

Originally posted by Shoes
Prove Sidious learned the power at DE.

Originally posted by Shoes
Prove Sidious learned the power at DE.

There were numerous situations in which Sidious could have used that power and didn't. One can assume that he didn't learn it until DE.

Yoda beats Anakin and Sidious beats Obi Wan.

If Yoda goes to confront Sidious, then it's a toss up, with a slight edge to Yoda.

If Sidious goes to confront Yoda, then it's still a toss up with a slight edge to Yoda.

He could have very well learned it at the end of ROTJ, and simply not use it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Prove he didn't.

You made the claim.

Originally posted by Galan007
Anakin dead, Obi-Wan dead.

Hi, I’m back. I think Gideon covered most points in his posts. I would like to address one more:

Originally posted by ares834
Even if we accept the fact that Yoda was holding back against his pupil he still worked hard enough to be visibly exhausted after the saber battle.

I don't think that Yoda was so exhausted as you make him to be. Really, he breathes hard when walking, yet seconds later jumps around from one pod to the other in the Senate battle with Sidious, or pwns droid armies (CWC). He breathes hard after stopping falling pillar in AOTC,, yet smashes two enormous landing-crafts with a casual flick of his wrist. (CWC). I think it would be a bit misleading to claim that he was breathing hard/looked exhausted he really was.

You're comparing CWC to the movies? I don't care if the CWC is canon all it does is Overpower the good guys and make the bad guys look like chumps, Ahsoka dealt with three Magnaguards, a padawan. Anakin put Dooku on his ass and Mace tears through a planet of droids.

CWC screws canon really as if Mace could do that before why didn't he do it on Geonosis.

Like it or not, CWC is canon.

Though I agree, it really seems over the top sometimes.