The New Jedi Order vs The Roman Empire

Originally posted by One Free Man
Here's the one where your telling me to realize i've lost because I'm not arguing with you any more and getting the last word in?

Am I right?

No, you still haven't explained how the Romans logistically put 1.4 million troops in a single battle and effectively communicate with eachother.

You've LOST and you probably know it.

If the Romans put 1.4 million troops in one location, THEY DIE OF SUFFOCATION AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD TAKE HOURS TO RECEIVE AND PUT INTO EFFECT AN ORDER!

One Free Man, you have IGNORED this argument.

I'm sure, right now, you're still arguing your points, trying to prove that I've lost when having rid my head of your incomprehensible rambling makes me the winner.

Originally posted by One Free Man
I'm sure, right now, you're still arguing your points, trying to prove that I've lost when having rid my head of your incomprehensible rambling makes me the winner.

The Romans can't logistically put together a 1.4 million man army in one single battle.

The above statement is one that you know you can't counter.

See? You know that you're wrong, and instead of being a good person and admitting defeat, you insult me, despite the fact that I'm RIGHT.

You KNOW that I haven't done anything wrong to be the target of any insults from you. You KNOW that you've lost this argument. If not, then please refute that statement that I made about logistics, because I've been bringing it up for the past several pages and you've been ignoring it.

Just stop.

I wonder if he's gone into "Why does everyone hate me??? IMA GUD DEBATRRR" phase yet.

Originally posted by truejedi
Just stop.

If you want to comment, please read the last page, or the last few pages, and our arguments. You'll quite clearly realize that I've won.

One Free Man asked me to prove a negative.
He also claimed that there were only 12 Jedi in the NJO.
He also ignored my main argument.
He thinks that an ancient army using ancient communication can communicate with 1.4 million troops in a battle effectively.
He makes up calculations without giving any mathematical evidence for it (50,000 per Jedi? What? Hundreds of hours per Jedi? What?).
He thinks that a SHIELD WALL would stop LIGHTSABERS.
He thinks that javelins are harder to block than blaster bolts.
He thinks that YV warriors are not as powerful as Roman legionaries (he took this back because apparently he didn't research this, despite a part of his profile mocking the very mistake he just made).
He wants to have the entire Roman army fight at once while also leaving behinds part of the army to police the civilians. He wants to put ALL of them in once place and leave some of them in another?

TJ (or anyone else): Try putting yourself in the role of One Free Man trying to refute my arguments. Look at my final few arguments. I bet that none of you would be able to refute it. None of you.

I'm not trying to brag about winning, I'm upset and frustrated that One Free Man can't act like a mature person and admit defeat when he knows he's wrong and instead stops debating and starts insulting me like a little 5 year old.

hmm. I'm sure that was an indignant and straw-man infested response to TJ's "just stop?"

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
If you want to comment, please read the last page, or the last few pages, and our arguments. You'll quite clearly realize that I've won.

One Free Man asked me to prove a negative.
He also claimed that there were only 12 Jedi in the NJO.
He also ignored my main argument.
He thinks that an ancient army using ancient communication can communicate with 1.4 million troops in a battle effectively.
He makes up calculations without giving any mathematical evidence for it (50,000 per Jedi? What? Hundreds of hours per Jedi? What?).
He thinks that a SHIELD WALL would stop LIGHTSABERS.
He thinks that javelins are harder to block than blaster bolts.
He thinks that YV warriors are not as powerful as Roman legionaries (he took this back because apparently he didn't research this, despite a part of his profile mocking the very mistake he just made).
He wants to have the entire Roman army fight at once while also leaving behinds part of the army to police the civilians. He wants to put ALL of them in once place and leave some of them in another?

TJ (or anyone else): Try putting yourself in the role of One Free Man trying to refute my arguments. Look at my final few arguments. I bet that none of you would be able to refute it. None of you.

I'm not trying to brag about winning, I'm upset and frustrated that One Free Man can't act like a mature person and admit defeat when he knows he's wrong and instead stops debating and starts insulting me like a little 5 year old.

tl;dr I beat OFM lol.

No one cares. Not even OFM.

Originally posted by Shoes
tl;dr I beat OFM lol.

No one cares. Not even OFM.

That's not my point. My point is that One Free Man knows that he's lost, but instead of being a mature, good person , he acts like a 5 year old and insults me while refusing to actually use logic.

It's good that you choose to inform the good people of KMC about his infidelity. Out of curiousity, why?

Originally posted by Shoes
It's good that you choose to inform the good people of KMC about his infidelity. Out of curiousity, why?

How would you feel if you were being civil and arguing with someone, win the argument, and then the other guy puts you on ignore and starts insulting you for no reason other than that he lost?

I would run a trace on his IP address, and like that I can get his internet provider. Through there, I would find his billing address and telephone number. I would then send him tampons. Boxes and boxes of tampons.

Or put him on ignore.

Couldn't help to have read the last post.

You haven't won anything. That's your problem. You stick to your guns.

This, in many scenarios, being a good thing, in many scenarios, i'd commend it as a valuable trait, but in debate, when you are supposed to be open minded, is a bad thing. I'm sorry, it just is. Here are the points I've changed, even conceded to you since we started.

The Romans, if using a wave system or attacking in manageable bite-sized pieces, would get creamed. I've said this time and time again since the debate started. I'm not doubting this. I'm also not debating that they would probably attack in more manageable pieces.

They have the capacity to scare the romans or act as gods. This is obvious.

They could perform a covert operation and assassinate Nero and create a puppet government. This is obvious.

I was arguing the contingency that, yes, while unlikely (which I admitted) if the roman army were to cluster**** them en mass, the jedi would not have the endurance to defeat them all.

Now, if you want to argue that my extremely unlikely contingency (which, if you'll remember, i stated in the beginning it was unlikely) to be unlikely, feel free! That's what I said.

I've pretty much said that the only way the romans take this is if they attack en masse and the jedi run out of endurance fighting them all. You haven't defeated this. You've only said that this is unlikely and that the romans will probably attack in waves. This isn't disproving the fact that the romans would win in a massive cluster****.

Originally posted by Shoes
I would run a trace on his IP address, and like that I can get his internet provider. Through there, I would find his billing address and telephone number. I would then send him tampons. Boxes and boxes of tampons.

Or put him on ignore.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
One Free Man asked me to prove a negative.

I'm upset and frustrated that OFM hewhoknowsnada can't act like a mature person and [b]admit defeat

Did I mention you take on this "holier than thou" position whenever someone throws a stray remark at you? I found this direct quote from you in another thread:

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I'm being a mature debater lummox, trying to get you to struggle endlessly to prove me wrong when I should be providing evidence in the first place, rar, and you insult me!!!??I mean, I constantly break the established guidelines of this sort of written engagement, insult the renowned members, and argue detailed fan-boy battle-plans drawn up for my favorite side as fact! I mean!!! IM BEING SO MATURE!! AND YOUR BEING A CHILD AND CALLING ME AN IDIOT!!

when he knows he's wrong and instead stops debating and starts insulting me like a little 5 year old. [/B]

Originally posted by truejedi
It occurs to me that this thread is against the rules.

Perhaps my key to finding out the winner of Shaq vs. the Bear would have been to make it a legion of shaq's vs. a legion of bears.

Kinda like Earth Vs. Star Wars is against the rules, and IT was never closed.

Yeah, it really has that ugly Earth Vs Star Wars thread feel to it, when the OP made a thread that was against the rules in which his was sure one side would win and kept whining about it for too many pages.

I'm not surprised it's the same kid.

Isn't that the defenition of spite thread, when you make a thread just to argue that one side wins?

Originally posted by One Free Man
as a parody to things you've done time and time again. This has nothing to do with the original argument. "Prove me wrong" as you constantly say, when you should be saying "I'll prove myself right."

I DID prove myself right, and you failed to prove my argument wrong. Even if you disagree, I at least provided valid evidence, whereas you provided NO valid evidence that Jar Jar Binks was Force sensitive.

There are, in the early days of the NJO, around the time of Exar Kun's resurrection. I was not inaccurate .

If you were to read the thread you would have realized that this is the NJO as of FOTJ.

Nope, I ignored your hypothetical cheeze-whiz infested cheeze-fest.
Now you're just hilariously misquoting me. I've said that they wouldn't need strategy as the sheer numbers would be enough to overcome the Jedi. That being enough, every man would be an experienced warrior (nearly a general) who would know almost every tactic. No, the goofy calculator I was using added a zero. I've already said this. As for the "hundreds of hours" I will clear it up for you by using something you wouldn't understand: math.

Did you read my argument about the Jedi attacking one side of the Roman line and the other side of the Roman army having to sit there and do nothing until they receive the order to attack, which would take quite a while?

Oh, and if the Jedi are overwhelmed they could simply retreat. The Romans would not be able to catch up, as they wouldn't have Force enhanced speed, would be wearing more armor and would have to keep in formation.

Again, read that argument where I made a huge list of problems with the Romans putting 1.4 million troops in one army.

with the 12 original NJO:
Let's say that a roman legionaire can stand up to a jedi for 5 seconds before dying, Ok? this includes dodging, avoiding, and dead time in between kills. It is also a rough estimated average based on the speed of movie Jedi against large groups of people.
at 1,400,000 troops:

conversion from romans into seconds:
1,400,000romans*5seconds=7,000,000 collective seconds.

Conversion of seconds into minutes:
7,000,000/60=116,666.6 collective minutes.

Conversions of minutes into hours:
116,666.6/60=1944.4 collective hours.

Division of hours among jedi:
1944.4/12=162.03 hours per jedi.

Again, you didn't read the OP well enough.

No. I never said this. Stop strawmaning/bullshitting.

You brought up that the Romans would be using a shield wall and that they would be attacking at once because of that (which has almost nothing to do with a shield wall) as an argument for your side. However, a shield wall would actually hinder the Romans in this fight, slowing down the Romans and keeping them constricted while doing next to nothing to stop a lightsaber, blaster or the Force.

I'll break this statement down as well:

I actually said:
Javelins are fairly large pieces of matter:

A light-saber has been shown to cut through more advanced matter effortlessly therefor would not stop the javelin.

A light-saber cuts in a hairline slice, therefor making it thin enough so that it would take multiple strikes to disintegrative the javelin.

A lightsaber would offer no resistance and therefor would merely split the javelin or cut the javelin, and due to physics, the pieces would continue to travel with their velocity unimpaired.

Stop with the strawmans, already. You've proven you don't read my points.

A Jedi could either repel the javelin (or multiple javelins) with the Force or hold the lightsaber and have the javelin hit the lightsaber directly (what's with the lightsaber making "hairline slices"?)

I said I possessed very little interest or knowledge of the YV, therefor retracting a statement, or conceding a point. Skilled and respected debaters do this, which is why you consider it a weakness. I know when I've made a mistake and don't try and I don't try to defend my mistakes, unlike you, who has never conceded a point in your brief time spent on this forum.

I actually have conceded many points before (and I've been here for about as long as you have) when I myself feel that I have made a mistake.

I have made a good point in that it would be logistically impossible for the Romans to put 1.4 million soldiers in one battlefield using ancient technology. You have failed to refute this.

I'm just going to let this crock of horse shit slide. Needless to say, a skeleton crew left to run the empire would suffice.
Nobody but I will try, the reason? Your tactic. I've explained it to you multiple times. It's why the most respected and admired debater (Gideon, for those who are keeping track) on this forum has decided to steer clear of you completely. You don't play the game, you play your game. It's not cool.

Also, did I point out that Gideon was spot on about what you were doing without even reading your post? You think he's an idiot, though. On this forum, if you think gideon's an idiot, you're in a bad state of mind.
See, this is the problem. In your head, you have a spotless reputation. You've never lost. In your own head. Everyone else has just discounted anything you've said as the ramblings of an idiot.
fixed.

Did I mention you take on this "holier than thou" position whenever someone throws a stray remark at you? I found this direct quote from you in another thread:

YouTube video
I can now be a "5 year old" via video, thanks to my upgrade to bum-hole, version 6.2!

Tell me;

Who do you think has been more civil: you or me?

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Yeah, it really has that ugly Earth Vs Star Wars thread feel to it, when the OP made a thread that was against the rules in which his was sure one side would win and kept whining about it for too many pages.

I'm not surprised it's the same kid.

In this other thread, you claimed that I admitted that that thread was a spite early on, referring to this quote that I posted. In that post I said that I thought that Earth would win (which is true; almost everyone ended up agreeing, and hypocritically blamed me for making a spite thread when they themselves didn't notice it and argued for the Empire), but that it would be close.

You lied and said that I said that it would be a spite (which I later admitted to, but after you made this claim) when I didn't. You took things out of context.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I [...] this.

Who do you think has been more civil: you or me?