The New Jedi Order vs The Roman Empire

Originally posted by One Free Man
fine, stealth X's. how long until they run out of fuel. Do they have a striking capacity capable of destroying 1.4 million threats?

Wait, wut? Stealth Xs are going to give the NJO a huge advantage. I have no idea how long they can go without refueling, but having them at all, with only one tank of fuel would be devastating. Photon torpedos, laser fire, and the ability to fly would all blow the romans minds, literally and metaphorically. Romans probably marched in formations right? A nice tight group of people making a strafing/bombing run extremly effective.

alright, here's where my main argument lies. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying that a Roman legionair, a battle-hardened unit of experience and skill, can't stand up to your average NJO jedi for more than 5 seconds, and splitting the burden 12 ways:

THE JEDI WOULD HAVE TO STAY AWAKE AND CONSTANTLY FIGHTING FOR 162 HOURS

Now, if you adjust for casualties and the constant wear of battle, this comes out to way longer. you don't think a Jedi would be making mistakes or nearly falling over after 162 hours of combat? try after 8-10 before the drastic ones that would cost lives start happening. Then it's all down-hill from there.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin

Wait, wut? Stealth Xs are going to give the NJO a huge advantage. I have no idea how long they can go without refueling, but having them at all, with only one tank of fuel would be devastating. Photon torpedos, laser fire, and the ability to fly would all blow the romans minds, literally and metaphorically. Romans probably marched in formations right? A nice tight group of people making a strafing/bombing run extremly effective.

People, seriously? Seriously? The Romans would RUN. They'd run away.

Roman armies typically arent always on the offensive right? They sleep, plan, eat and stuff. Im sure there will be breaks in the action.

If you are allowing stealth Xs that very quickly solves the Jedi's 162 straight hours of fighting. The Romans would probably be scared to death of the planes anyway, and wouldn't rush into anything.

If i use big bold letters in caps-lock would you think I was anymore right? Maybe put something cool at the end of my posts like "Thanks for playing"?

Uh, THANKS FOR PLAYING... nope, I don't see how that helps, makes me seem pretty arrogant though.

Sorry man, i'm not really trying to pick on you, but you definatly do pick on Hewho, and insult him quite a bit and he always keeps his debate civil.

Exactly Lucien.

Can't we all just get along?

Look, i thought that this was romans vs njo.

I feel like we're speaking different languages.

As in, the romans and the NJO fight. If you wanted them to perform covert ops, you should have just called it "can teh NJO infiltrate the roman empire?" The answer is yes.

"Can the NJO kill managable bite sized waves of romans 50-100 at a time?"
The answer is yes. I'm not arguing this point.

"Would Romans usually run when faced with the NJO?"
The answer is yes. I'm not arguing this point.

"Could 1.4 million romans at a time take down the NJO?"
The answer is Yes. I'm arguing this point. There is no way in hell the jedi stand a chance against this many anything. Any other scenario other than a straight on fight, obviously the jedi win. DUHhhHhh If that's not what you want, it's a spite thread.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Roman armies typically arent always on the offensive right? They sleep, plan, eat and stuff. Im sure there will be breaks in the action.

Uh, THANKS FOR PLAYING... nope, I don't see how that helps, makes me seem pretty arrogant though.

Thanks for playing.

Yea, if both armies are forced to stand there and fight the NJO will lose. They would(hopefully) realize that and change their tactics. Since it didn't address that in the OP, what are we supposed to assume?

When I debate, i weigh feats and abilities and other factors before coming to a conclusion. Normally, it's supposed to be an all-out fight.

I will concede that the jedi could (after surviving the desert by some miracle, which HWKN is coming on in a moment to make guesses about and then to uphold his guesses about this miracle as fact) and defenitely would be able to masquerade as gods, sneak into rome, whatever. but then how does giving rome 1,000,000 legionairs make it fair in the least?

The OP also says that rome is alerted and wishes to annihilate the jedi.

So I DUNNO.

Originally posted by One Free Man
If they're in a fight, what incentive would the romans have to "put breaks in the action?"

In fights, in history the armies would set up camps, there would be breaks in fighting. Weren't they called campaigns or crusades or something?

I hope your clever "thanks for playing" wasn't directed at me, because I can't see where youve proved me wrong in anything. You did prove yourself wrong a couple times, and that was pretty funny. 😱

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
In fights, in history the armies would set up camps, there would be breaks in fighting. Weren't they called campaigns or crusades or something?

I hope your clever "thanks for playing" wasn't directed at me, because I can't see where youve proved me wrong in anything. You did prove yourself wrong a couple times, and that was pretty funny.

And no, it was simply an example. But I didn't prove myself wrong as much as retract statements. Big difference. I used the takesie-backsies.

Things are confusing when you take statements back lol. Hard to argue against someone when you don't even know what they are gonna stick with.

I only did two, and they were basically admitting to having no knowledge of the YV, therefor the statement was in error. (actually that was more like an admission of ignorance on a topic, which isn't bad when you admit ignorance to something lame like the YV or teh Twilight Universe.)

And not actually meaning that I wanted the X's in the fight.

Its gotta hurt your credibility some when you say you are ignorant of the YV, but are argueing against the NJO, which is the series that the vong were so big in. You do have knowledge of the NJO though?

Anyone remember how many Jedi were in the Myrkr mission and how many Vong they killed then? It was very impressive, considering it was only a dozen or so barley jedi knights, who were mostly in their teens iirc.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Its gotta hurt your credibility some when you say you are ignorant of the YV, but are argueing against the NJO, which is the series that the vong were so big in. You do have knowledge of the NJO though?

Anyone remember how many Jedi were in the Myrkr mission and how many Vong they killed then? It was very impressive, considering it was only a dozen or so barley jedi knights, who were mostly in their teens iirc.

Wookiee lists 17 Jedi Knights, plus two Dark Jedi, and two YVH droids. Both droids destroyed and six Jedi dead. The Dark Jedi booked it.

They killed a f*ck-ton if I remember that book right. Beings used to their tech., and their abilities, and being outside the Force.

Romans lose because they SURRENDER.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
[B]Its gotta hurt your credibility some when you say you are ignorant of the YV, but are argueing against the NJO, which is the series that the vong were so big in. You do have knowledge of the NJO though?

And also, Hewhoknowsnothing knows nothing about the roman empire or period egypt, which my disknowledge of the vong pales in comparison to.

I didn't really mean it as they were "barley jedi" but that some were padawans and if they were knights they had only recently been knighted.

just wait fifteen minutes, lucien. ROFL

Originally posted by One Free Man
Ask gideon for some real star wars novels (non canon, of course.)

Real Star Wars novels that aren't canon? Which ones are you referring to? Ive read many Star Wars novels, some I enjoyed much more than others.

mm they are fan-fic. GOOD fan fic.