Originally posted by OneDumbG0
By all means, post where Superman uses heat vision to prevent a person from absorbing energy.Yeah, it's feasible and not altogether completely dumb for a comic book author to think that intense "ionization" could prevent energy from being absorbed. But conflating that comic book notion of ionization and assuming all magnitudes of electricity and lightning can achieve the same effect is asinine. Stop taking things so literally.
I don't need to prove Surfer is completely immune to electricity or lightning to argue that technique probably wouldn't work 1/100 times. If you want to get literal stupid, Surfer has stood inside stars before. You do know that stars are made of superheated plasma which is intensely ionized right? Is Surfer's Power Cosmic blocked when he flies or sits inside stars? No.
So knock it off with the electricity/lightning blocks Surfer's Power Cosmic argument.
Have I ever seen someone saying that Superman's heat vision cannot be meassured by DC science wich is more advanced than that of Marvel?
And since DC scientist can meassure the temperatures inside the sun, but not Superman's could it meand that Superman COULD generate enough heat for a disruptive Ionization?
I think the odds are better than 1/100
Originally posted by Blanket
Way to rape my wording.The weakness part is irrelevant... like I've said in everyone of my posts to you.
Surfer = glasses?
Originally posted by biensalsa
So are you saying that If someone physically beats Surfer (which is not hard, because He seems to have a glass jaw) and then attacks him with electricity. He can be defeated?
And Surfer doesn't say he's less powerful than Thor in that scan.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeAnd if the kid picks up a huge jar of candy that disintegrates what it touches?
The Weakness part is very relevant. Surfer tapped an infinite source, he did not control or channel infinite power. Magneto taps an infinite source of power as well. And if Magnetism was t and a's weakness, he would have tapped magnetism and pwned them. Wouldn't make his feat any where near on par with fighting AGAINST Multi-versal power. If a Kid walks along and picks up a jar of candy that is bigger than he, he has quite a feat. Surfer. If a kid picks up a jar of candy much bigger then he, while snatching it from another kid bigger than he, a much bigger feat. Takion.
The weakness part is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with Surfer's feat. Yes he beat them with a weakness, but he had to control energy from an infinite power source to do so.
Originally posted by kgkgpretty sure a dude who can lift am abbrams tank with one arm is devoid of any inherent flaws in his joints that a hammer lock from a borderline superhuman can cause damage to.
This doesn't even make sense you realize that no matter how skillfully you lock someone if they have 100+ ton strength they will rip you apart?
hudlin just didn't get the part that after you puff puff, you gotta pass it.
Originally posted by BlanketSo what? Captain Atom controls energy from an infinite source. So does Surfer. The Power cosmic is infinite. The point is, he didn't control infinite energy. Takion not only fought against greater than Universal energy, he shielded everyone from it's energy and his own in the fight. Surfer's feat is pebbles to a boulder when comparing the two. It's not like surfer wrested control of the crunch from someone else wielding all of it's energies. it was just sitting there. unused. And he controled an unquantified amount of featless energy to beat two beings that had already been in a fight with Galactus so they weren't even at full power, and used thier weakness against them.
And if the kid picks up a huge jar of candy that disintegrates what it touches?The weakness part is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with Surfer's feat. Yes he beat them with a weakness, but he had to control energy from an infinite power source to do so.
^ Alongside all the other heroes, Takion combating the Godwave with the power of the Source (a power which Takion is personally connected to)...
... monumentally outweighs a weakened Surfer who is alone and combating T&A with the destructive forces of the Crunch (which Surfer has no personal connection to) and which was killing him quicker than T&A were? Is this your point?
I think the point about Takion being a dummy was a better point to make. nono
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The piont that takion is connected to the source would strengthen my argument that h is far above surfer. Now if t and a were channeling the crunch,in it's totality, and surfer had stalled them,while shielding other heroes and gods, I'd say that was monumental. As it stands, the surfer had an outside amp. No different than superman chenneling dark energy from mageddon to perform an awesome feat. But guess what, the crunch is featless. And he didn't channel it all. Not even close.
^ Alongside all the other heroes, Takion combating the Godwave with the power of the Source (a power which Takion is personally connected to)...... monumentally outweighs a weakened Surfer who is alone and combating T&A with the destructive forces of the Crunch (which Surfer has no personal connection to) and which was killing him quicker than T&A were? Is this your point?
I think the point about Takion being a dummy was a better point to make. nono
^ I don't see how being so intimately connected to the Source makes Takion's feat much harder to pull off than Surfer's. I see it as the exact opposite. And Superman was empowered by the anti-sun core. He wasn't being killed by it like Surfer. So they're not alike at all.
Hal channeling the Central Power Battery is a greater feat than Superman channeling an incalcuable amount of red sunlight? Not so much in my book.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Takion used his own power against a power that was threatening even the source. The crnch wasn't a threat to say eternity. It was featless and was not eing used in a threatening manner. One electrical worker picks up a downed powerline and zaps a bad guy with asmuch power a s a taser. Just enuff to put the bad guy down. He nearly kills himself in the process tho but he survives. Another worker fights off someone wielding the city's main powerline. He actually stops the rampage at the cost of his own life. Who has the greater feat? The one who fought off the person actually using vast power with his own power. And the energy force takion fought against was quantifiable. It was a threat even to the source. It powered every super being in exitance. Even the thousands of pantheons of gods through out reality. Surfer channeled some portion of the featless crunch energy.
^ I don't see how being so intimately connected to the Source makes Takion's feat much harder to pull off than Surfer's. I see it as the exact opposite. And Superman was empowered by the anti-sun core. He wasn't being killed by it like Surfer. So they're not alike at all.Hal channeling the Central Power Battery is a greater feat than Superman channeling an incalcuable amount of red sunlight? Not so much in my book.
^ You can distort your analogies as much as you want. Takion is connected to the infinite energies of the Source. Surfer was not connected to the infinite energies of the Crunch.
If Hal channeled the infinite energies of the Central Power Battery with his GL ring, that's impressive. Hal channeling the infinite energies of the Red Power Battery without any implementation/connection to it, e.g. without a RL ring, and the Red Lantern Battery's energies are killing Hal, then that's a lot more impressive.
If you don't wish to see it that way, that's your cup of team. Personally, it makes absolutely no sense to me.
