Rage.Of.Olympus
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Or the time he shielded the West Coast Avengers from a blast that killed Thor and the rest of the East Coast Avengers.
Are you referring to the West Coast Avenger Annual?
The Silver Surfer saw the Grandmaster's bolt of energy traveling to Earth when he was racing towards the planet. He tried to make it to Earth in time to warn the Avengers and do what he can to protect them (He apparently thought he didn't make it in time as he exclaimed he was too late when he saw the Avengers dead. It was a photo finish). The bolt however was designed to only take the East Coast Avengers as explained by the Collector as I recall and not the West. Surfer didn't actually do anything based on that.
That feat=inconclusive at best based on what I remember. To be fair, I think Iron Man believed that he could use the Power Cosmic to shield them from further attacks. It's been years though.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Many comics for the period were inconsistant like that, the Defenders/Avengers crossover was no different. So yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying.
The incidents were Thor outperforms Surfer conclusively happened before and after that era. When did I ever use anything from the Defenders/Avengers crossover as evidence? The only thing that I would use as evidence against Norrin off the top of my head from that arc was his fight with Vision. Is there some more evidence to suggest that Thor is above Surfer in that arc that I’m forgetting? mhmm
Originally posted by darthgoober
Does Wonderman normally put up a good fight against Thor when they throw down, or does Thor absolutely steamroll him the way Surfer does?
Thor usually really out performs Simon and the rest of the Avenger’s when they’re facing a big threat. Random new villain wrecks entire Avengers. Cue Thor going toe to toe with villain. Frankly, that’s how Thor usually outperforms his so called “peers”. We have rare cases like Blood and Thunder but meh, Thor almost never actually cut’s loose.
His never outright destroyed Simon like Norrin has. To be honest, off the top of my head, I can recall only one actual fight they had, and that was during Steve's big Wonderman push. And to be fair to Simon, when Norrin defeated him, Simon was going through his power fluctuation phase.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, does Thor have a tough time against the Hulk, or does he trounce him the way Surfer does? And before you say that Surfer always drains him, no he doesn't. He's one shotted the Hulk with his Surfboard shortly after Hulk outright admited that Surfer was stronger. And I'm unsure what you're talking about in regards to Planet Hulk but if it's Surfer's fight with Hulk, not only was Surfer pretty much completely depowered and under the effect of anothers influence, he was whooping ass until the Warbound jumped in and distracted him.
It’s usually a tough time as he engages the Hulk physically. When Thor once decided to rely on his raw power and versatility, he trounced the Hulk. On the other hand, if Norrin decides to engage the Hulk physically, I doubt it would turn out well.
😬 Are you referring to the “Tales to Astonish” fight they had? The closest the Hulk came to admitting the Surfer was stronger in that issue was when a calm Hulk leaps at an unknow figure and while in mid air says a force –the Power Cosmic as the Hulk had only gotten within hailing distance- stronger than him pushed him back. The Hulk still manages to reach out and grab his leg.
The fight continues, and an enraged Hulk is able to overpower Silver Surfer’s cosmic power and put Surfer on his ass in one hit. That isn’t the only time when an angry Hulk powered his way through Norrin’s energy. He did so twice in the Silver Surfer #125. The board knock out incident happened after all of this when the Hulk grabs Norrin, who commands the board to zoom in and strike the Hulk’s chin. He didn’t regain his strength for a few minutes.
Looking at their fights, Norrin’s record against the Hulk get’s a bit exaggerated.
Hulk was also depowered. As a matter of fact, he’d come through the portal sooner than Norrin. Dealt with it better apparently to.
What do you mean anothers influence? Are you referring to him being forced to fight? That was the case with all the Gladiators. Surfer did seem pretty formidable. He even knocked the Hulk on his ass twice. Of course the Hulk thought Norrin was his friend, and in the end, the Hulk knocked Surfer the hell out.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And which do you think are more valid showings? Put it this way, would you use Thor's showings against Odin as a measure of Odin's abilities in a forum thread?Yeah, that's it.
All showings are valid unless there are specific or mitigating circumstances involved. We should just average them out for all parties so why not. Odin in that arc was busting Galaxies, and was operating on a Universal scale. It’s not a low showing for Odin but an extremely high showing for Thor. Usually he'd just casually one shot a Top Tier like he did Norrin. He once stunned Thor for minutes or so with a blast that sent him flying from Asgard all the way to Earth.
