Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you really want to track this discussion's progress... I brought up Surfer sitting inside a star as a rebuttal to your electricity-immunity argument. Remember when you started surmising that Surfer was vulnerable to this heat vision ionization technique because nobody could prove Surfer was immune to electricity?

Obviously, simply being surrounded by ionized molecules doesn't render Surfer powerless as he's stood inside stars. Accordingly, non-immunity to electricity =/= vulnerability to heat vision ionization technique. Then you tried remedying that by suggesting that Superman's heat vision is incalculable, hotter than stars even, so maybe it is plausible. Well Superman wasn't using this incalculable heat in either of those scans. So incalculable heat wasn't responsible for the ionization-disruption effect.

This entire tangent is deflection. Superman's used intense heat vision a lot. We don't see people's powers being cut off. It also once broke someone's teleportation device. Apparently, it once managed to disrupt the transmission of Jimmy's and Lois' energy into a robot. Arguing it's viable against Surfer and will cut him off from the Power Cosmic -- Surfer who flies through stars and combats Firelord -- is folly. I don't believe it would. Surfer can nonchalantly sit inside a star. And he's been flooded by Firelord's cosmic flames, which are hotter than any star.

This is your interpretation. I believe it is otherwise. Superman uses his HV a lot of times vs different opponents, but not in such a manner to Ionize molecules. When He does the Ionization He does that by targeting the molecules arround someone, thus pausible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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BY LOGIC SS IS 1% OF THE COSMIC POWER OF REGULAR GALACTUS

Which means GALACTUS IS ABOVE Mjolnir

Originally posted by bbrem123
surfer got an upgrade since then so yea...that statement means nothing

Thor got an upgrade too, you know

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that and:

also surfer can simply absorb whatever energy is bombarding/surrounding him

Originally posted by biensalsa
This is your interpretation. I believe it is otherwise. Superman uses his HV a lot of times vs different opponents, but not in such a manner to Ionize molecules. When He does the Ionization He does that by targeting the molecules arround someone, thus pausible.

Originally posted by biensalsa
This is your interpretation. I believe it is otherwise. Superman uses his HV a lot of times vs different opponents, but not in such a manner to Ionize molecules. When He does the Ionization He does that by targeting the molecules arround someone, thus pausible.

It's comic book science. You don't have to explain away every single gaping hole in it. After all, it's a one-off feat. But those facts render your application of real science principles d.o.a. So stop using real science principles to suggest that Surfer's non-immunity to lightning would substantiate this tactic's effectiveness against Surfer and his Power Cosmic. That's all.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Orion tapped into his godly form in Countdown when he ripped out Darkseid's heart and repelled the JLA away.

Orion grows friggan huge at the end of Simonsons run. Pretty sure that was supposed to be Orion tapping into his godly essence, considering the ledge Darkseid was standing on was actually crumbling away beneath Orions chest, ruling out the size change being an illusion..

His fight against Darkseid had them generating tons of energy, to the point of generating nuke level explosions just from colliding, not to mention what happened when he was restrained....

Originally posted by dmills
A butthurt thread is a spite thread people make out of fustration when a particular character garners lots of forum wins over characters that said butthurt person likes.

We've all been there.

Indeed.

Although in my case, I opted for the "flamebait fanfic" option, back when my Superman fanboyism was in full bloom, and everyone was feeding various versions of Superman to Odin.

Basically, take Thanos's fight against Odin, substitute Thanos for Superman, and have Supes get less beat up then Thanos did, and you'll get the jist. It was a really stupid thing, but the reaction it got was spectacular. 😛

Too bad lightyargee got the shaft. Surfer clears it, beacuse he's silver.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

While I have the time: I just wanted to point out that I got the aforementioned fight confused with the Adam Warlock one. I'm pretty sure the battle in #85 was not during the power fluctuation. I don't recall it being mentioned either. If there are any Simon scholars willing to confirm/correct that, your free to do so. *Shines the MM signal*

The fight occured during his power fluctuation period. You can tell by his costume and the time it was printed. Also, considering he was mindcontrolled at the time and Simons powers were based directly on his state of mind, he may well have been vastly weaker then he ever was when he schooled Thor in H2.... I mean fought Thor in WCA.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
The fight occured during his power fluctuation period. You can tell by his costume and the time it was printed. Also, considering he was mindcontrolled at the time and Simons powers were based directly on his state of mind, he may well have been vastly weaker then he ever was when he schooled Thor in H2.... I mean fought Thor in WCA.

Okay, thanks for the confirmation.

Schooled? You wish. His lucky Thor held back as much as he did, allowing Wonderman to knock him down a hill (OMG!) and get taken out with one throw.

Besides, a single writer's cockstrocking can only take you so far. DeFalco had Hyperion beat Wonderman down in the following issue as I recall. Englehart can suck it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, thanks for the confirmation.

Schooled? You wish. His lucky Thor held back as much as he did, allowing Wonderman to knock him down a hill (OMG!) and get taken out with one throw.

Besides, a single writer's cockstrocking can only take you so far. DeFalco had Hyperion beat Wonderman down in the following issue as I recall. Englehart can suck it.

Nah, Thors ass was grass if he'd been a man and used his fists. Simon tossed him down that hill by directly overpowering him while Thor had leverage.

Now, H18A will speak a little about the mathematics involved in that.

...............................

Thank you H.

Also, if someone had Thor running around chumping SS and Adam Warlock, you'd just say they were doing the character justice, so STFU 😛

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Nah, Thors ass was grass if he'd been a man and used his fists. Simon tossed him down that hill by directly overpowering him while Thor had leverage.

Now, H18A will speak a little about the mathematics involved in that.

...............................

Thank you H.

Also, if someone had Thor running around chumping SS and Adam Warlock, you'd just say they were doing the character justice, so STFU 😛

Leverage? If I recall correctly, Thor's legs were off the ground. Simon would have actually had the advantage in that position. Besides, Thor was holding back like usually. Simon got a dose of reality when Hyperion handed him his ass.

They would be doing the character justice as Thor > *insert favorite hero*

I'm sorry. 🙁

I know your sensitive when it comes to your B level characters Simon and John who take a backseat to the A list. If I was you, I'd hate Thor and Superman personally. I'll stop now lol.

Although, I gotta give Englehart credit for trying to go against the status quo but let's be serious here, Wonder Man as strong or even stronger than Thor? In his wet dreams. Even he gave up on the idea fairly quickly.

I find it pretty funny how he tried to make Wonderman seem superior with every opportunity he could. Having Argon state that he punches harder than Thor's hammer hits for example despite the fact that the two never actually fought in their encounter.

Okay, I'll stop now.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
since there are sooooo many supporters of surfer, I want to know how he beats each of these characters in this List.
0.Henshaw with rings
1.Black Bolt
2.Martian Manhunter
3.BRB
4.Mongul with rings
5.Gladiator
6.Full power Orion
7.Thor
8.Classic Infinity Man
9.Vand V Despero
10. Angel Supergirl
11.Takion with High Father's staff
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan

Winners:

1. Henshaw with ease.
2. This is a joke right? Surfer stomps.
3. Surfer gets the majority.
4. Mongul.
5. Surfer
6. Who cares. NG's suck.
7. Thor
8. Infinity man. NG's still suck.
9. Despero
10. Surfer
11. Who cares. NG's blah
12. Hal with ease.

For those bringing up the xover... Surfer was only able to absorb Oan energy AFTER it was given to him by rookie Kyle who did not yet know how to use/contain/absorb it..as we know..later Kyle had no issue doing so as ION.

Prior to that Kyle literally bathed Surfer in energy and SS was not able to absorb anything thus why he asked Kyle to pass the energy to him later on.

Looks to me like this entire thread was designed to promote spite agaisnt SS >.>

Originally posted by biensalsa

0.Henshaw with rings : Downloads him into a Vic-20
1.Black Bolt : Focuses Gaga`s lastest hit trough his tuning fork
2.Martian Manhunter : Forcefeeds him a bottle of tabasco and watches him burn
3.BRB: Cracks the bullwhip and makes Horsie run in cicles untill he faints
4.Mongul with rings: Tells Mongul what a cheap Thanos ripoff he is. Then steals his rings as he cries and watches him fall apart.
5.Gladiator : Saws the mohawk off with a chainsaw, depowering him. Kallark jumps off a cliff in shame.
6.Full power Orion: Shows him an adamantium wall with Darkseid`s face painted on it. Orion runs right into it, breaking his neck.
7.Thor: Creates an illusion making Hal Jordan look like a pretty girl and they have sweet buttseks. Both kill themselves when they find out.
8.Classic Infinity Man: Bah, IM sucks
9.Vand V Despero : Kicks him in the teeth
10. Angel Supergirl : Boinks her
11.Takion with High Father's staff : Steals that hippie staff and beats him senseless with it
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan: Creates an illusion making Thor look like a pretty girl and they have sweet buttseks. Both kill themselves after when they find out

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Leverage? If I recall correctly, Thor's legs were off the ground. Simon would have actually had the advantage in that position. Besides, Thor was holding back like usually. Simon got a dose of reality when Hyperion handed him his ass.

They would be doing the character justice as Thor > *insert favorite hero*

I'm sorry. 🙁

I know your sensitive when it comes to your B level characters Simon and John who take a backseat to the A list. If I was you, I'd hate Thor and Superman personally. I'll stop now lol.

Although, I gotta give Englehart credit for trying to go against the status quo but let's be serious here, Wonder Man as strong or even stronger than Thor? In his wet dreams. Even he gave up on the idea fairly quickly.

I find it pretty funny how he tried to make Wonderman seem superior with every opportunity he could. Having Argon state that he punches harder than Thor's hammer hits for example despite the fact that the two never actually fought in their encounter.

Okay, I'll stop now.

Thor's actually my fave A-list hero. Probably the only one I like.

Also, Arkons exact wording was more along the lines that he had never been struck by such a powerful blow, not even from thor IIRC. If Thor had never hit him before, that's technically true 😗

does that mean martian manhunter is dare i say..."B-list"?

IMO opinion SS is the best and highest herald with the exception of Hal of course.