Silver Surfer the best Herald? Explain how he wins each Battle in detail

Originally posted by biensalsa
Is that Good or bad?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Darkstar surrounds Superman with Darkforce and Superman is instantly depowered. There are dozens of on-panel scans and statements which show that Superman relies on yellow sunlight for his powers. Kal doesn't generate it from within. Any statements where he has internal reserves, or operates in the dark are to be arbitrarily ignored. Darkstar wins via surrounding him in Darkforce.

Superman surrounds Surfer with superheated molecules and Surfer is instantly depowered. There are dozens of on-panel scans and statements which show that Surfer channels the Power Cosmic for his powers. Norrin doesn't generate it from within. Any statements where he has internal reserves, or operates in superheat are to be arbitrarily ignored. Superman wins via surrounding him in superheat.

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If you think your logic reflected back onto the character you are clearly campaigning for is cogent... then more power to you. At least you're not a hypocrite. If you don't think it's cogent, then nice double-standard. As for the rest of us, your logic displaced and replciated exactly on other characters is the same type of stupid.

Ultimately, making use of your inexact analogies of "faucets" doesn't support superheat stripping Surfer of his powers. Frankly, the effort and passion you put into this would be admirable, if it weren't so clearly misplaced and ultimately futile.

OK, lets see.

Superman...

Superman works in yellow sun light, or at least that was the idea

He has also been shown to feed out of starlight, anti-sun, mitosis, electricity, heat and pressure. Did I miss anything?

Superman also retains yellow sun light (or what ever powers him) in his body depending on his stress level.

If you replace that energy, then Superman is powerless, plain and simple.

Yes Kal does not generate his sun light, his power storage depends on his stress level. If He does not get something to burn in his generator then He gets depowered, plain and simple.

Originally posted by amnesia
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That's you?

Maybe

Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes Kal does not generate his sun light, his power storage depends on his stress level. If He does not get something to burn in his generator then He gets depowered, plain and simple.

And trying to characterize Surfer as if he were like Pyro instead of like Human Torch doesn't make it any harder, except for you apparently.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Submersing Superman in the dark isn't going to instantly strip him of Kryptonian powers anymore than submersing Silver Surfer in superheat would. This isn't hard to see.

And trying to characterize Surfer as if he were like Pyro instead of like Human Torch doesn't make it any harder, except for you apparently.

If it makes you happy SS will retain the PC that is between the Faucet and the pipe.

Will it be enough to revert the ionization? Maybe, maybe not

^ For the sake of argument, why would Surfer need to revert the ionization of molecules? All Superman's done is stopped him from replenishing the Power Cosmic via his automatic ambient energy absorption process by surrounding him with ionized molecules.

Surfer then proceeds to fly away from the ionized molecules surrounding him and/or Surfer stands still and uses an omniblast to repel all the ionized molecules away from his body and/or Surfer absorbs the heat vision and/or Surfer absorbs Superman's yellow sunlight and/or Surfer turns him into a newt.

Only one of these above scenarios is questionable. And that's taking your assertions for granted. Which don't make sense in, and of, themselves.

Either way, I think both of you have presented some interesting analysis that calls for further investigation.

Salsa, you make an interesting case, but cut back on the scan-a-thon, let it marinate.

Bravo Biensala!

I for one think you've proven that surfers power is dependant on outside forces.

At best his shwin there are inconsistancies. The overhelming majority of showings have the PC within him and annihilation nails it.

Originally posted by paisapower
Bravo Biensala!

I for one think you've proven that surfers power is dependant on outside forces.

Originally posted by paisapower
Couldnt supes just ionize the area around black bolt cutting him off from his energy source. Ive seen him use it on an oponent to cut him off from teleporting tech.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Obvious sock is obvious.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Obvious sock is obvious.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Obvious sock is obvious.

Whats this nonsense Im reading ? And what the hells a sock ?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Obvious sock is obvious.

Dude. Stop.

Originally posted by amnesia
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That's you?

Originally posted by biensalsa
"Right! The board is of similar material as the body and there durability is back up by the amount of pc nhowever the presence/amount of pc contained within it is far less this is why it is not as durable.. "'

"Do you have a scan to back up such a claim? "

What this scan show is SS dying, there is no where an indication that at full force the Silver Sufer skin will be more durable than the SS board :?

Gotta give u credit for the blitz post its hysterical ..

It however does not contradict like you've tried to point out, its still within the explanation given in the annihilation scan..

here ill post it again..

http://img651.imageshack.us/f/annihilation3011.jpg/

ambient energies is stored within his (Surfer) aura/soul then is converted into pc, this aura then continuously feeds his body for function.. Now the body is still susceptible to outside source of manipulation as you pointed out in all those scan. like say; energy absorption (not absorbing his soul but rather the energies within his body that his Aura/soul supply from the absorbed pc and since it cont. supply this energies, he can be fully drained. It also is apparent that this energies if transfered can reanimate or enhance a being with similar abilities as him as you kindly showed us in your scan..) So if one can manipulate both then he can be depowered this way..

let say we gave you the benefit of the doubt and ionazation works, all this does is prevent him from absorbing energies but he would still retain the energies he had previously absorbed. Moving out of the way from this attack or countering it with http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg this would null Ionazation then he can proceed to do a similar attack +++ absorb Supes energies for a true ionazation KO..

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I believe the affect would be just as u say. Surfer would indeed counter it. Could he however open himself up to a follow up attack as he counters the ionization ? Also, why couldnt supes also evade surfers drain attempt which u credit with an instant KO ?

Cause SS can actually drain SM's stored reserves or poison him with k-nite and red star. He can also deliver these energies in an omnidirectional pulse, so there's no where to go.

Originally posted by biensalsa
A fraction of his power allright, but where it was stated that he was less durable than before.

As far as I remember SS power Galactus removed ONLY his space time powers, where does it says He also removed or decresed his invulnerability powers? As fas as I remember, during all the time He was "depowered" He always claimed that He can survive inside a sun. So his invulnerability was intact

Originally posted by biensalsa
If it makes you happy SS will retain the PC that is between the Faucet and the pipe.

Will it be enough to revert the ionization? Maybe, maybe not

😂 @ the faucet analog..

Take a look at this scan..

In accordance to your logic both this herald of Galactus should have drop dead right at the moment they entired the event horizon of teh blackhole cause well they've got cut of from the source of their powers, right? yet the hell they're doing but utilizing the power cosmic..

I see ,so all this happens instantly and an omni blast is all it takes.