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No, canonicty is not the only point of contention. The events of the series itself make it clear that the Blackbody boosted his powers dramatically. Think about it, before he had the black body he could barely manipulate/absorb the energy of a single soul. Afterwards, he was able to perform the above feat (nevermind the fact that the souls in question came WILLINGLY in an effort to defeat the Uni-Lord, casting doubt as to how much actual manipulation the Surfer was doing). And, again, while certainly an argument can be made that it's in continuity, an equally compelling argument can (and has) been made for it's status as an other universe tale. And by the way, as evidenced with the Watcher, entering the other universe does change the nature of the power of cosmic beings.
canonicity is the only point of contention. The blackbody is the only reason that surfer could absorb the souls of the beings in the unilords universe. Hence trying to use the fact that he couldnt absorb any souls before he got the blackbody to claim that the blackbody aided in the trasnformation of the souls is faulty. Absorbing souls was what the blackbody was used for and hence when it merged with surfer, he gained this ability. However surfer explicitly mentions that "his is the power to convert matter and energy into any form he chooses"(clearly referring to his PC) and that to merge with him all the soul energy assimilated within the blackbody he had to convert it to his cosmic configuration which only he controls. The fact that the souls came willingly is also of no consequence since it was never in question that the absorption process was not of surfers doing but rather was due to the blackbody. The only thing being attributed to surfer is what he downright said he did using his PC.
Furthermore, the watcher was changed by a virus which infected him yes but surfer was shown to have no such effects due to his entrance into that universe and so that example is also of no relevance.
If you're going to make an effort to belittle my claims, make the effort, please. Why is my claim spurious? Some actual reasoning would be lovely
lulz, Surfers "ineffectiveness" against thor is spurious because his only battle with thor as he is normally portrayed did not have a decisive outcome (with neither combatant suffering much if any damage), and he actually showed good battle know how by seperating thor from his hammer. lovely wouldnt u say?
In Surfer's first battle against Thor - in which he had the power of Loki added to his own - Stan Lee specifically has him stating that the power within Mjolnir is greater than his own Power Cosmic. It really doesn't get any more direct than that. As to energy absorption claim, I'd remind you that in their one conclusive battle Thor didn't once use energy absorption, just hit him in the
face with the hammer and knocked him out.
This is just ridiculous. get ur argument straight. Surfer may have mentioned that mjolnirs magic was greater than his powercosmic but that is not at all related to ur references to thors warrior persona and mentality. All that would indicate is that Thors magical hammer is greater than surfers powercosmic, warrior mentality be damned. Id also remind you about the importance of reading, and to therefore read the post where i explained how B and T thor was a thor operating at beyond normal levels and who is hence not at all a parallel for orion or even for how surfer usually matches up against thor since he was portrayed much more powerful than usual.
It was Thor acting STUPIDER than usual, and wilder, against a Surfer who was angry and explicitly states that he's trying to take Thor out. What else do you want?
it was also a thor that was written more powerfully than normal and who was taking out Surfer, Adam Warlock and the infinity watch at the same time. Seriously even hardcore thor fans accept that thor does not normally come off as that powerful (even if they dont accept that he was amped by warrior madness). Attempting to use him as a basis for how surfer does against warrior foes and subsequently a parrallel for orion is just foolish. All he can be used for is a basis to see how surfer does against foes who are shown to be more powerful than he is. end of story.
None of those rules include a change of the Surfer's personality, nor an increase in his skill or motivation level.
Skill in the use of his abilities has never been the problem. Failure to use them due to plot driven circumstances however has been. That is what those rules eliminate and which u are so desperately trying to ignore. Moreover surfer has recently shown a change in personality since becoming galactus herald and therefore even that point is moot.
Was BRB knocked out? Was that a conclusive battle? Of course not. Surfer's problems against Black Panther, for instance, DO seem to indicate an issue with skilled, canny warriors. He's had similar problems against Midnight Sun (despite being far less powerful, with no offensive abilities) and other such canny fighters. No, it isn't universal, and I acknowledge that, but he's an unskilled pacifist. It's natural that he's going to be at a disadvantage against a highly skilled, highly trained warrior who has been single handidly fighting off Apokoliptan armies since he could walk.
BRB was laid out bloody in the fetal position with surfer standing over him telling him not to get up so he wouldnt have to hurt him more. Even without the ko that is undoubtedly a battle in which surfer was shown to be the superior. Attempting to claim otherwise and holding solely on to the fact that BRB wasnt koed is horribly pathetic and is even worse than some claiming that thanos won the battle between he and Odin (lol). Heh.....resorting to Surfers "problem" with black panther is really a sign of desperation considering that it was PIS ridden incident and utterly irrelevant by this forums rules. Surfer only "problems" with midnight sun came prior to utilizing his powers properly and holding back. When he changed this, midnight sun even admitted that surfer could have killed him but he chose not to. The full capacity rule invalidates such examples which were clearly plot driven as surfer will be fighting to the best of his ability here.
Additionally u need to realize that correlation does not necessitate causation. In comics superman at times has "problems" with slow moving bricks but that does not indicate that it is the very nature of their character (being slow moving bricks) that causes this. Rather after actually observing the fights we can see its due to another factor: he holds back against them and doesnt utilize his powers to the fullest from the get go. On a forum such as this which facilitates the efficient use of abilities however, he destroys them. Similarly with surfer, i could find examples of characters who seemingly put up good fights against him and all share the common trait of laser blasting. We do not go and assume that surfers problems automatically come from characters who blast lasers. Rather after analyzing each individual fight, we will observe the actual reasons surfer may have encountered problems with these characters and more often than not these reasons vary (ranging from him holding back or not using his powers efficiently, to them simply being more powerful, to them having specific other abilities that nicely counteract his own. etc)
Being a skilled warrior is undoubtedly an advantage but it is just one advantage amidst the advantages that both these characters have over each other. Attempting to portray it as some unique weakness of surfers based on examples that leave out context and demand the ignoring of the characters abilties is fallacious and not only that but is also a violation of forum rules.
