Originally posted by darthgoober
All that and you never actually address what I said. Did you happen to see Thor use any of his "mallet's magic" other than it's ability to absorb energy or it's return effect?Same question...
Indeed.
Both these statements were totally not addressed at all.
Originally posted by darthgoober
...and I think Surfer was actually acknowledging that the enchantment Odin bestowed upon the hammer which causes it to return to Thor's handso how people see the logic of Surfer saying that Thor's more powerful is beyond me.
Originally posted by Spire
Indeed.Both these statements were totally not addressed at all.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're saying that Surfer was clearly acknowledging Thor as his supperior rather than acknowledging Odin's enchantmen, but unless you can point to an instance of his "mallet's magic" other than the return effect or absorption capabilities it's not clear in any way, shape, or form.
Before I address your quan tactics(sidetracking), are you backing away from your previous comments? Yes or no?
Originally posted by Spire
Before I address your quan tactics(sidetracking), are you backing away from your previous comments? Yes or no?
Which comments? That I think Surfer was talking about the return effect or about my failing to see the logic behind people thinking that Surfer was acknowledging Thor as his supperior? Huh uh, I meant both and still do.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sidetracking? The magic of Thor's hammer is the basis for my original post, if anything I'm stearing you back on course because you said it was faulty logic without specifing why.Which comments? That I think Surfer was talking about the return effect or about my failing to see the logic behind people thinking that Surfer was acknowledging Thor as his supperior? Huh uh, I meant both and still do.
Here is my dilemma: follow your sidetrack, so you can distance yourself from previous comments or explain how I responded to the ideas in your post(whether or not you agreed with them is beside the point) when you replied saying I didn't.
What do I do?!
Originally posted by Spire
Here is my dilemma: follow your sidetrack, so you can distance yourself from previous comments or explain how I responded to the ideas in your post(whether or not you agreed with them is beside the point) when you replied saying I didn't.What do I do?!
Originally posted by darthgoober
You seem to be the one sidetracking...
Funny.
I only responded to you to point out that I did in fact tackle ideas directly stated your post.
You then hit back with this:
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're saying that Surfer was clearly acknowledging Thor as his supperior rather than acknowledging Odin's enchantmen, but unless you can point to an instance of his "mallet's magic" other than the return effect or absorption capabilities it's not clear in any way, shape, or form.
Originally posted by Spire
Funny.I only responded to you to point out that I did in fact tackle ideas directly stated your post.
You then hit back with this:
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah but you didn't. The stuff I said about failing to see the reasoning was attributed primarily to Surfer not seeing any other magic from Thor's hammer. So unless you addressed some magic from Thor's hammer other than it's energy absorbtion and return effect...
facepalm Whatever.
Anyways, this is just a heads up, but this probably won't go back and forth for long. See, if you actually read my first post and applied some critical thinking you wouldn't be replying with the ridiculous stuff that you have been.
Let's get this started.
Surfer could have seen one of Mjolnir's powers, or all of them. It doesn't matter at all. Now, to answer your pointless question, Surfer also saw/knows Mjolnir can send him through a wall and can emit what seemed to be an AOE attack.
There is no reason to think that Surfer was talking about Odin's enchantment, because when he made the comment, Odin's enchantment--which he does not know about--wasn't in effect. No where at all in the book was Mjolnir not returning to his hand(Odin's enchantment) displayed.
Now, add that with the plot of the story(Surfer with Loki's power added to his own might be able to defeat Thor) and the numerous comments Surfer makes throughout the book, in addition to his tactic in attempting to remove Thor from his hammer--it becomes quite clear what Surfer meant.
In other words, reread my first post.
Originally posted by Spire
facepalm Whatever.Anyways, this is just a heads up, but this probably won't go back and forth for long. See, if you actually read my first post and applied some critical thinking you wouldn't be replying with the ridiculous stuff that you have been.
Let's get this started.
Originally posted by Spire
Surfer could have seen one of Mjolnir's powers, or all of them. It doesn't matter at all. Now, to answer your pointless question, Surfer also saw/knows Mjolnir can send him through a wall and can emit what seemed to be an AOE attack.
Originally posted by Spire
There is no reason to think that Surfer was talking about Odin's enchantment, because when he made the comment, Odin's enchantment--which he does not know about--wasn't in effect. No where at all in the book was Mjolnir not returning to his hand(Odin's enchantment) displayed.
Originally posted by Spire
Now, add that with the plot of the story(Surfer with Loki's power added to his own might be able to defeat Thor) and the numerous comments Surfer makes throughout the book, in addition to his tactic in attempting to remove Thor from his hammer--it becomes quite clear what Surfer meant.
Originally posted by Spire
In other words, reread my first post.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well I guess we'll see.It does matter, because Surfer specifically says that he's seen the mallets magic and it's mightier than his cosmic force. So the magic he saw that was mighier than his cosmic force is particularly relevant. Knocking him threw a wall doesn't indicate that the hammers magic is greater than his cosmic force. Especially when he recovered in no time no worse for wear and controlled the fight. And what AOE attack are you talking about?
It doesn't matter. Oh and Mallet's Magic means he didn't get the hammer at Home Depot.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Right so he saw that the hammer went back to his hand before and didn't know why(because he didn't know about Odin's enchantment), and then he was suddenly able to keep the hammer away and was puzzled by it... kinda supports my point more than yours. He was keeping the hammer away with a force field when he made the statement...
Where did Surfer display this "didn't know why"?
It doesn't support your point AT ALL. You are trying to connect something which doesn't take place. No where at all did the Surfer try to prevent Mjolnir from returning to his hand. Also, he was amazed because he knew Mjolnir was greater than power cosmic and realized it was Loki's power.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Except that none of the hammers enchantment had proven supperior to his cosmic force other than the Absorption and return capabilities. And it's illogical to think that Surfer would be acknowledging Thor as his supperior when he was winning throughout the fight and had Thor on the ground seperated from his hammer.
It proved superior when it drawed in his power cosmic. It also was powerful enough to send him through a wall and powerful enough for Surfer to specifically try to remove Mjolnir from the fight. NO RETURN CAPABILITIES were mentioned in this fight at all.
In other words no where did Surfer go "Ruh Roh! I better try and keep Odin's enchantment--which I don't know about--from triggering Thor's hammer from Home Depot returning to him after it has been thrown!"
Originally posted by darthgoober
I did, but it still doesn't address what I was saying.
It does, as I can literally cut and paste and continue to stomp the same Nah Uh arguments that you are making.
Originally posted by Spire
It doesn't matter. Oh and Mallet's Magic means he didn't get the hammer at Home Depot.
Originally posted by Spire
Where did Surfer display this "didn't know why"?
Dude are you seriously arguing with yourself...
Originally posted by Spire
facepalm Whatever.Anyways, this is just a heads up, but this probably won't go back and forth for long. See, if you actually read my first post and applied some critical thinking you wouldn't be replying with the ridiculous stuff that you have been.
Let's get this started.
Surfer could have seen one of Mjolnir's powers, or all of them. It doesn't matter at all. Now, to answer your pointless question, Surfer also saw/knows Mjolnir can send him through a wall and can emit what seemed to be an AOE attack.
There is no reason to think that Surfer was talking about Odin's enchantment, because when he made the comment, Odin's enchantment--which he does not know about--wasn't in effect. No where at all in the book was Mjolnir not returning to his hand(Odin's enchantment) displayed.
Now, add that with the plot of the story(Surfer with Loki's power added to his own might be able to defeat Thor) and the numerous comments Surfer makes throughout the book, in addition to his tactic in attempting to remove Thor from his hammer--it becomes quite clear what Surfer meant.
In other words, reread my first post.
Originally posted by Spire
It doesn't support your point AT ALL. You are trying to connect something which doesn't take place. No where at all did the Surfer try to prevent Mjolnir from returning to his hand. Also, he was amazed because he knew Mjolnir was greater than power cosmic and realized it was Loki's power.
Originally posted by Spire
It proved superior when it drawed in his power cosmic. It also was powerful enough to send him through a wall and powerful enough for Surfer to specifically try to remove Mjolnir from the fight. NO RETURN CAPABILITIES were mentioned in this fight at all.
Originally posted by Spire
In other words no where did Surfer go "Ruh Roh! I better try and keep Odin's enchantment--which I don't know about--from triggering Thor's hammer from Home Depot returning to him after it has been thrown!"
Originally posted by Spire
It does, as I can literally cut and paste and continue to stomp the same Nah Uh arguments that you are making.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Qustion. Could surfer march universal destroying energy with his own? Basically figthting fire with fire? Could he blow up a universe?
Originally posted by darthgoober
So you don't think the context behind the statement matters?
I do. I was even kind enough to spell it out for you.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Dude are you seriously arguing with yourself...
Where did Surfer say I don't know why his hammer is returning and wonder if there was an enchantment upon it? Where did he care about his hammer returning at all?
My response was directed at that...
Originally posted by darthgoober
HUH?! On the very page we're talking about when Thor's getting blasted he's talking about Surfer repeatedly blasting it from his hand whenever he raises it to strike. On the page before that(which I also posted earlier) Surfer's trying to keep it out of Thor's hand. I disagree, he was just suprised because he was suddenly able to keep Thor from his hammer.
Enchantment does not apply. Enchantment is of no relevance.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So you think it makes sense to consider him more powerful than someone just because he can absorb their energy blasts? Do have any idea of the kind of crap Thor has absorbed?
Were you crying when you wrote that?
Surfer's comment is consistent with with the plot of the story--Loki's powers added to Surfer's own might allow for Thor to be defeated. It's also consistent with the comments Surfer made through out the book, the tactics he chose to employ, and the wordplay they traded during the fight.
In other words, reread my first post.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He tried multiple times to seperate Thor from his hammer.
Enchantment does not apply. Enchantment is of no relevance.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If it did, then where did you talk about other magic we saw from the hammer in your first post aimed at me?
Not sure what you are getting at here. If you are talking about your Mjolnir and magic argument, then yes, I flat out ignored it because it is was probably the worst argument that you made in your post.
So to summarize, here is your position which you are still struggling desperately to support, let alone prove:
Originally posted by darthgoober
...and I think Surfer was actually acknowledging that the enchantment Odin bestowed upon the hammer which causes it to return to Thor's hand