Surfer Vs. Orion

Originally posted by Spire
I do. I was even kind enough to spell it out for you.

Originally posted by Spire
Where did Surfer say I don't know why his hammer is returning and wonder if there was an enchantment upon it? Where did he care about his hammer returning at all?

My response was directed at that...

Originally posted by Spire
Enchantment does not apply. Enchantment is of no relevance.

Originally posted by Spire
Were you crying when you wrote that?

Surfer's comment is consistent with with the plot of the story--Loki's powers added to Surfer's own might allow for Thor to be defeated. It's also consistent with the comments Surfer made through out the book, the tactics he chose to employ, and the wordplay they traded during the fight.

In other words, reread my first post.

Originally posted by Spire
Enchantment does not apply. Enchantment is of no relevance.

Originally posted by Spire
Not sure what you are getting at here. If you are talking about your Mjolnir and magic argument, then yes, I flat out ignored it because it is was probably the worst argument that you made in your post.

Originally posted by Spire
So to summarize, here is your position which you are still struggling desperately to support, let alone prove:

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if the context matter to you, why are you dismissing what I'm saying with "It doesn't matter"?

I already told you why. Not sure if you missed what I typed or you just do not have the critical thinking abilities to understand what I typed.

Originally posted by darthgoober

So he has to use your exact words huh.... lol. I think him questioning why the hammer's now staying out of Thor's reach pretty concreately supports his not knowing why the hammer's staying out of Thor's reach now.

PLEASE REFERENCE INSTANCES/POST SCANS of where Surfer wondered if there was an enchantment, knew that there was an enchantment or even cared about/was concerned with Mjolnir returning to Thor's hand at all.

Originally posted by darthgoober

What makes you say that? Surfer seeing the hammer return to Thor's hands seems pretty relevant to what I was saying...

My reply above answers this. Also, YOUR response wasn't even relevant to what YOU were saying as this quote trail(click back and read) has to do with Surfer trying to prevent Thor from using Mjolnir against him. Stay on point.

Originally posted by darthgoober

It takes far more than a faulty interpretation from someone like you to make me cry. See Surfer didn't say "Thor's more powerful becauser he can absorb my energy blasts" he said that he'd seen the hammers magic and it was stronger than his cosmic force. And unless you honestly think that Character A absorbing Character B's energy blasts is proof of character A being more powerful there's no logical reason to interpret the statement as you're suggesting.

This is amazing. It was you that cried that 'character/someone/Thor can't be more powerful then character/someone/Surfer' when the issue was simply 'Mjolnir being greater than Power Cosmic'. This is like the fourth time you have brought that up by the way.

Originally posted by darthgoober

I disagree.

Expected.

Regardless, there is no enchantment upon Mjolnir dictating that it will return when/if Mjolnir gets knocked out of/dropped from Thor's hand.

Originally posted by darthgoober

The magic demonstrated by Mjolnir IS relevant because the magic Surfer saw from Thor's hammer is the basis of the statement in question.

Firstly, it is not relevant at all because the amount of abilites he witnessed Mjolnir display has NOTHING to do with the statement he made. Secondly, Surfer does not know about or even care about the 'magic' that you think he saw and was referencing. Nor was it in effect at the time.

Originally posted by darthgoober

My position is supported plenty More than yours in fact since Surfer actually saw the enchantment that causes Thor's hammer to return to his hand in effect but saw nothing from Thor to indicate that Thor himself was more powerful.

You can't even prove what is NEEDED(Surfer knows and cares about the enchantment) for you to MAKE(Surfer was referencing the enchantment) your argument in the first place. He didn't 'SEE' anything. They were fighting, Thor threw the hammer and it returned. End of. Surfer was never shown wondering why it happened. Surfer was never shown caring about it at all actually. Furthermore, Thor simply punches the force field a page later and easily retrieves his hammer. How can this be if Surfer was talking about the enchantment?

Also, 👆 for the 'Thor more powerful than Surfer' again.

Surfer wins

/Thread

Originally posted by Spire
I already told you why. Not sure if you missed what I typed or you just do not have the critical thinking abilities to understand what I typed.

Originally posted by Spire
PLEASE REFERENCE INSTANCES/POST SCANS of where Surfer wondered if there was an enchantment, knew that there was an enchantment or even cared about/was concerned with Mjolnir returning to Thor's hand at all.

Originally posted by Spire
My reply above answers this. Also, YOUR response wasn't even relevant to what YOU were saying as this quote trail(click back and read) has to do with Surfer trying to prevent Thor from using Mjolnir against him. Stay on point.

Originally posted by Spire
This is amazing. It was you that cried that 'character/someone/Thor can't be more powerful then character/someone/Surfer' when the issue was simply 'Mjolnir being greater than Power Cosmic'. This is like the fourth time you have brought that up by the way.

Originally posted by Spire
Expected.

Regardless, there is no enchantment upon Mjolnir dictating that it will return when/if Mjolnir gets knocked out of/dropped from Thor's hand.

Originally posted by Spire
Firstly, it is not relevant at all because the amount of abilites he witnessed Mjolnir display has NOTHING to do with the statement he made. Secondly, Surfer does not know about or even care about the 'magic' that you think he saw and was referencing. Nor was it in effect at the time.

Originally posted by Spire
You can't even prove what is NEEDED(Surfer knows and cares about the enchantment) for you to MAKE(Surfer was referencing the enchantment) your argument in the first place. He didn't 'SEE' anything. They were fighting, Thor threw the hammer and it returned. End of. Surfer was never shown wondering why it happened. Surfer was never shown caring about it at all actually. Furthermore, Thor simply punches the force field a page later and easily retrieves his hammer. How can this be if Surfer was talking about the enchantment?

Also, 👆 for the 'Thor more powerful than Surfer' again.

Also, your overall thinking is a bit off on the matter. See I don't need to prove the exact reasoning behind Surfer's statement anymore than a fan of Thor's does because we're just talking about the matter of interpretating Surfer's statement. My point has never been that the issue CAN'T be interpreted differently, it's that I see interpreting Surfer's statement to be an admission that Thor's more powerful to be illogical because because the fight itself doesn't support the notion.

At this point, Orion is bored to tears, and Thor is wondering why he keeps ending up in other peoples fights... 😮

He's to Killermovies like Wolverine was to comic book covers...

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm still dodging...

Yes, you are. All you have to do is simply click the link in the quote and read back. No excuse really.

Spire's Free Internet Pro Tip: Simply follow this quote trial back six times and you will have your answer!

Originally posted by darthgoober

I already have, he was concerned when he questioned why he could keep it away. He may not have known the specifics of Odin's enchantments, but he knew it was a magic hammer that returns to Thor and that he couldn't keep the two seperated earlier in the fight.

And my statementg above answers yours.

It 'appears' you are not keen enough to understand what it was that I asked for. Truly, this is ridiculous and I should not have to(I honestly believe that you know that the arguments you have made purely out of denial are indeed foolish, unsupported by the book and are simply playing dumb in an attempt to avoid coming to terms with the obvious) point this out but I will do so anyways:

I asked you to reference instances/post scans before Surfer's supposed "he was concerned when he questioned why he could keep it away."

Again:

PLEASE REFERENCE INSTANCES/POST SCANS of where Surfer wondered if there was an enchantment, knew that there was an enchantment or even cared about/was concerned with Mjolnir returning to Thor's hand at all.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Huh? I didn't say that Thor couldn't be more powerful than Surfer, I said that Surfer never said he was. And it's still relevant a relevant point, assuming that the ability to absorb an energy blast is a direct indication that one character's more powerful than another is rediculous.

That went right over your head. I was pointing out that:

A.) It is not about 'character being more powerful than character'. Stop talking about it.

B.) It is about Surfer's statement regarding Mjolnir.

C.) Your post wasn't on point.

Originally posted by darthgoober

But Surfer doesn't know that does he?

BINGO!

Originally posted by darthgoober
All he knows is that the hammer returns to Thor's hand

He doesn't know how it is accomplished. It could return because of any number of reasons.

Originally posted by darthgoober
and he couldn't keep it away early in the fight but could later.

Misinterpretation.

A.) The enchantment DID NOT trigger

B.) Surfer never tried to 'keep it away--as in override the enchantment', he only tried to prevent Thor from using it against him.

Originally posted by darthgoober

The abilities he witnessed from Mjolnir have EVERYTHING to do with the statement he made because Surfer specifically talks about seeing the hammers magic, so the magic he saw is particularly relevant.

facepalm

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness one of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness two of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness three of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness see all of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

Lastly, Mjolnir IS MAGIC.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Why should he wonder why a magic hammer's returning to it's owners hand?

So that your argument does not fall apart in the earliest stages.

Pretty simple.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Also, your overall thinking is a bit off on the matter. See I don't need to prove the exact reasoning behind Surfer's statement anymore than a fan of Thor's does because we're just talking about the matter of interpretating Surfer's statement. My point has never been that the issue CAN'T be interpreted differently, it's that I see interpreting Surfer's statement to be an admission that Thor's more powerful to be illogical because because the fight itself doesn't support the notion.

3 Things: Irony, you CAN'T prove your position and playing the 'Nah Uh' I don't need to does not change that, and please stop with the underlined part.

Originally posted by Spire
Yes, you are. All you have to do is simply click the link in the quote and read back. No excuse really.

Spire's Free Internet Pro Tip: Simply follow this quote trial back six times and you will have your answer!

Originally posted by Spire
It 'appears' you are not keen enough to understand what it was that I asked for. Truly, this is ridiculous and I should not have to(I honestly believe that you know that the arguments you have made purely out of denial are indeed foolish, unsupported by the book and are simply playing dumb in an attempt to avoid coming to terms with the obvious) point this out but I will do so anyways:

I asked you to reference instances/post scans before Surfer's supposed "he was concerned when he questioned why he could keep it away."

Again:

PLEASE REFERENCE INSTANCES/POST SCANS of where Surfer wondered if there was an enchantment, knew that there was an enchantment or even cared about/was concerned with Mjolnir returning to Thor's hand at all.

I already did reference a scan where Surfer's concenred with Mjolnir returning to Thor's hand, the scan where he questions why it's now staying away.

Originally posted by Spire
That went right over your head. I was pointing out that:

A.) It is not about 'character being more powerful than character'. Stop talking about it.

B.) It is about Surfer's statement regarding Mjolnir.

C.) Your post wasn't on point.

This discussion IS about character being more powerful than character though because you're insisting that Surfer's statement was meant to indicate that Thor was more powerful than he. And since you said that Thor's hammer absorbing Surfer's blast was an indication that Thor was more powerful, so the rest is also on point.

Originally posted by Spire
BINGO!

Originally posted by Spire
He doesn't know how it is accomplished. It could return because of any number of reasons.

Originally posted by Spire
Misinterpretation.

A.) The enchantment DID NOT trigger

B.) Surfer never tried to 'keep it away--as in override the enchantment', he only tried to prevent Thor from using it against him.

Originally posted by Spire
facepalm

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness one of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness two of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness three of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

It has nothing to do with his statement as he could witness see all of Mjolnir's abilities and it can still be more powerful than his power cosmic.

Lastly, Mjolnir IS MAGIC.

Originally posted by Spire
So that your argument does not fall apart in the earliest stages.

Pretty simple.

Originally posted by Spire
3 Things: Irony, you CAN'T prove your position and playing the 'Nah Uh' I don't need to does not change that, and please stop with the underlined part.

Ok you need to study up on debating until you learn the in's and out's of the burden of proof because again, we're talking about a matter of interpretation. You have yours, I have mine... the difference is that Surfer actually saw the return effect on Thor's hammer in the fight, he never saw anything to support Thor being more powerful so yours falls short in regards to which is the more logical interpretation.

And why should I stop with the underlined part again?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wow quote changing to cover up... there's a sign of a debater in trouble.

Lol. Apparently clicking the left mouse button six times is too difficult for you. Distracting is a sign of a poster in trouble.

Originally posted by darthgoober

I already did reference a scan where Surfer's concenred with Mjolnir returning to Thor's hand, the scan where he questions why it's now staying away.

Your concession is noted.

Originally posted by darthgoober

This discussion IS about character being more powerful than character though because you're insisting that Surfer's statement was meant to indicate that Thor was more powerful than he. And since you said that Thor's hammer absorbing Surfer's blast was an indication that Thor was more powerful, so the rest is also on point.

Your reading comprehension skills are horrible. Following this quote trail back(something that is too difficult for you) will reveal how I never stated any of that and how NUMEROUS TIMES you tried to interject this 'character more powerful than character' stuff.

Couldn't be simpler.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Right, Surfer doesn't know the details of the hammers enchantment. But he knows that it's a magic hammer that returns to Thor's hand and that he was unable to keep them seperated early in the fight.

Surfer doesn't know ANY DETAILS at all. Also, he never attempted to keep them separated--as Odin's Enchantment(which he does not know about)-- never triggered. Incredibly simple stuff.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Yeah like being magic. The fact that you can't put 2 and 2 together to make 4 doesn't mean that Surfer's too stupid to figure out why a magic hammer's returning to it's owners hand.

He doesn't KNOW that there is an enchantment upon Mjolnir. Nor did he ever try to discern if indeed there was one at all.

Originally posted by darthgoober

It was returning to Thor's hand(but hadn't quite gotten there) when Surfer started blasting it, so yeah... you're wrong.

Never did he try to keep Mjolnir from returning(Odin's enchantment which he does not know about) to his hand. He was trying to knock it from his hands as stated here:

Otherwise, he would have simply just placed a force field over it right then and there.

facepalm

Originally posted by darthgoober

It has everything to do with his statement because it was a two part statement. You're wanting to ignore the first part of the statement so you can misinterpret the rest.

It has nothing to do with the statement... for the obvious reasons you quoted, but did not understand/outright dodged.

Originally posted by darthgoober

lol

More concession.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Ok you need to study up on debating until you learn the in's and out's of the burden of proof because again, we're talking about a matter of interpretation. You have yours, I have mine... the difference is that Surfer actually saw the return effect on Thor's hammer in the fight, he never saw anything to support Thor being more powerful so yours falls short in regards to which is the more logical interpretation.

And why should I stop with the underlined part again?

I'm going to baby-step this for you because you are owning yourself pretty hard:

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok you need to study up on debating

I understand debating quite well. If I didn't, I wouldn't have laughed out loud when I saw you play the 'interpretation card'. I also thought your dodges were mildly humorous. Kudos.

Originally posted by darthgoober
until you learn the in's and out's of the burden of proof because again, we're talking about a matter of interpretation. You have yours, I have mine... the difference is that Surfer actually saw the return effect(your attempt at disguising Odin's enchantment) on Thor's hammer in the fight,

If you are going to state that as 'proof(Something, apparently, you don't have to do)' so that you can play your 'interpretation card' in the first place, you are going to have to prove it. This is exactly what I've asked you to do.

Originally posted by darthgoober
he never saw anything to support Thor being more powerful so yours falls short in regards to which is the more logical interpretation.

And why should I stop with the underlined part again?

Again--and hopefully this time it will sink in-- it is about a hammer and a statement, not an Asgardian and a Herald of Galactus.

Simple stuff.

Originally posted by Spire
Lol. Apparently clicking the left mouse button six times is too difficult for you. Distracting is a sign of a poster in trouble.

Originally posted by Spire
Your concession is noted.

Originally posted by Spire
Your reading comprehension skills are horrible. Following this quote trail back(something that is too difficult for you) will reveal how I never stated any of that and how NUMEROUS TIMES you tried to interject this 'character more powerful than character' stuff.

Couldn't be simpler.

So you didn't say that Thor's hammer absorbing Surfer's blast proved it to be supperior?

Originally posted by Spire
Surfer doesn't know ANY DETAILS at all. Also, he never attempted to keep them separated--as Odin's Enchantment(which he does not know about)-- never triggered. Incredibly simple stuff.

Originally posted by Spire
He doesn't KNOW that there is an enchantment upon Mjolnir. Nor did he ever try to discern if indeed there was one at all.

Originally posted by Spire
Never did he try to keep Mjolnir from returning(Odin's enchantment which he does not know about) to his hand. He was trying to knock it from his hands as stated here:

Otherwise, he would have simply just placed a force field over it right then and there.

facepalm

First he wasn't TRYING to knock it from Thor's hand, he was succeding but Thor was getting it back. That's why Thor says that everytime he raises it Surfer blasts it from his hand. He was blasting it away, it was just returning.

And on the page before he tries to blast it away from Thor when it's returning to Thor after throwing it(but before Thor actually has it).

Originally posted by Spire
It has nothing to do with the statement... for the obvious reasons you quoted, but did not understand/outright dodged.

Originally posted by Spire
More concession.

Originally posted by Spire
I'm going to baby-step this for you because you are owning yourself pretty hard:

Originally posted by Spire
I understand debating quite well. If I didn't, I wouldn't have laughed out loud when I saw you play the 'interpretation card'. I also thought your dodges were mildly humorous. Kudos.

Originally posted by Spire
If you are going to state that as 'proof(Something, apparently, you don't have to do)' so that you can play your 'interpretation card' in the first place, you are going to have to prove it. This is exactly what I've asked you to do.

Originally posted by Spire
Again--and hopefully this time it will sink in-- it is about a hammer and a statement, not an Asgardian and a Herald of Galactus.

Simple stuff.

Guys, you're killing Thor!

Even a god needs rest from vs once in awhile. 😛

Originally posted by darthgoober
There's no need for me to, I know how this thing started.

Then you were trolling.

Originally posted by darthgoober

No concession an answer. You asked for an instance of Surfer showing concern about Thor's hammer returning to his hand, I gave you one.

You didn't. That is concession.

I asked for an apple. You don't have any. You attempt to substitute an Orange for an Apple, then hand it to me.

Originally posted by darthgoober

So you didn't say that Thor's hammer absorbing Surfer's blast proved it to be supperior?

Which is about Mjolnir and a statement. Not an Asgardian and a Herald of Galactus.

Well done.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Except tht it's a magic hammer that returns to Thor's hand. Sure he did, on the very page where he makes the statement and on the page before.

He has no idea that there is an enchantment placed upon it by Odin. The page before doesn't show what you desperately need and want it to.

Originally posted by darthgoober

He knows it's magic, it'd be common sense that it was enchanted after seeing it return to his hand.

Dodging the point.

Originally posted by darthgoober

First he wasn't TRYING to knock it from Thor's hand, he was succeding but Thor was getting it back. That's why Thor says that everytime he raises it Surfer blasts it from his hand. He was blasting it away, it was just returning.

THE ENCHANTMENT DOES NOT APPLY IF KNOCKED OR DROPPED FROM THOR'S HAND.

Originally posted by darthgoober

And on the page before he tries to blast it away from Thor when it's returning to Thor after throwing it(but before Thor actually has it).

Originally posted by Spire
Never did he try to keep Mjolnir from returning(Odin's enchantment which he does not know about) to his hand. He was trying to knock it from his hands as stated here:

Otherwise, he would have simply just placed a force field over it right then and there.

facepalm

Originally posted by darthgoober

It's a two part statement, it DOES have to do with it.

It doesn't for the reasons I've stated and you have yet to even address. These 'Nah Uh' responses I'm getting from you is basically trolling.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Again, no concession. Just laughing at you thinking that someone who knew Thor had a magic hammer that returned to his hand wouldn't piece together that it was enchanted to do so.

You're dodging, and it is concession because:

A.) Surfer doesn't know that Odin placed and enchantment upon Mjolnir

B.) Surfer never attempted to stop Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir

C.) Surfer Wouldn't be referencing Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir

D.) Even if he did know, the enchantment didn't apply at the time of Surfer's comment. He wouldn't be referencing it anyways.

You are trolling now.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Oh you wish...

You may think you understand it, but you need to brush up on the section regarding the burden of proof.

More 'Nah Uh'. Perhaps you should read thread, apply some critical thinking skills, THEN post.

Originally posted by darthgoober

I have proven it. He saw the return effect when the hammer returned to his hand. Him seeing it in action pretty much proves he knew knew about it afterwards.

Ridiculous. You haven't proved what you claimed to be 'proof' which is needed for your 'Interpretation'. CAN'T GET ANY SIMPLER.

Originally posted by darthgoober

A statement saying that the hammer's magic is more powerful than Surfer's cosmic force, not one saying that Thor is more powerful(which is what I've been arguing this whole time and what my origianl post was about).

Cool. Now that you are on the same page, I'm guessing you won't be bringing it up again. 👆

Originally posted by Spire
Then you were trolling.

Originally posted by Spire
You didn't. That is concession.

I asked for an apple. You don't have any. You attempt to substitute an Orange for an Apple, then hand it to me.

You ask for a scan or Surfer showing concern over Thor's hammer returning and I referenced one where Surfer questions why the hammer staying out of Thor's reach. That's not apples and oranges, that's apples and apples.

Originally posted by Spire
Which is about Mjolnir and a statement. Not an Asgardian and a Herald of Galactus.

Well done.

Originally posted by Spire
He has no idea that there is an enchantment placed upon it by Odin. The page before doesn't show what you desperately need and want it to.

Originally posted by Spire
Dodging the point.

Originally posted by Spire
THE ENCHANTMENT DOES NOT APPLY IF KNOCKED OR DROPPED FROM THOR'S HAND.

Originally posted by Spire
It doesn't for the reasons I've stated and you have yet to even address. These 'Nah Uh' responses I'm getting from you is basically trolling.

Originally posted by Spire
Your dodging, and it is concession because:

A.) Surfer doesn't know that Odin placed and enchantment upon Mjolnir

B.) Surfer never attempted to stop Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir

C.) Surfer Wouldn't be referencing Odin's enchantment on Mjolnir

D.) Even if he did know, the enchantment didn't apply at the time of Surfer's comment. He wouldn't be referencing it anyways.

You are trolling now.

A. He doesn't need to know that the enchantment is from Odin.

B. Yeah he did, when the hammer was returning to Thor's hand and Surfer tries to blast it away.

C. Except for the fact that he was suddenly able to keep Thor's hammer away from him.

D. I don't know why not.

No it's just that you haven't acknowedged that you were trolling from the begining until now.

Originally posted by Spire
More 'Nah Uh'. Perhaps you should read thread, apply some critical thinking skills, THEN post.

Originally posted by Spire
Ridiculous. You haven't proved what you claimed to be 'proof' which is needed for your 'Interpretation'. CAN'T GET ANY SIMPLER.

Originally posted by Spire
Cool. Now that you are on the same page, I'm guessing you won't be bringing it up again. 👆

Hey I've been on the same page, you were the one who evidently tried to steer the discussion away from what I was originally talking about while insisting that you were addressing my original post.

Your response was pure trolling. No evidence, no critical thinking, just Nah Uh responses.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope, just pointing out a fact that you yourself seem to acknowledge.

That you were dodging.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Wrong again(or I guess it would actually be still).

You ask for a scan or Surfer showing concern over Thor's hammer returning and I referenced one where Surfer questions why the hammer staying out of Thor's reach. That's not apples and oranges, that's apples and apples.

Something BEFORE that, like I have already stated.

Stop trolling.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Well I didn't realize that you were just trolling rather than actually trying to participate in a discussion about my first post(which was all about the notion that Surfer was admitting that Thor was more powerful). But thanks for acknowledging that you never actually addressed what I was talking about in my first post.

You're lost.

I responded two pages ago about your denial induced argument that Surfer was talking about Odin's enchantment rather than Mjolnir just being more powerful than he power cosmic.

Apparently you still haven't caught on to that.

Also, several times you tried to distract and turn it into an Asgardian and a Herald.

Originally posted by darthgoober

He doesn't need to know that "Odin enchanted Thor's hammer", he just needs to know that it's magic and returns to Thor's hand. Sure it does, it shows Surfer trying to keep Thor from his hammer when it's returning.

He needs to know so that you can make your denial argument that he was talking about something he already knows. What a blatant troll response.

IT DOES NOT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. SECONDLY, HE WOULD HAVE SIMPLY PLACED A FORCE FIELD OVER IT AND SKIPPED THE PART OF TRYING TO SEPARATE HIM FROM THE HAMMER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Nope. Your point was that Surfer didn't know, my point was that Surfer would've known because he saw the thing return.

It was PART of my point and Surfer does not know exactly what makes the hammer return nor did he care. Therefore, he would not be referencing it later.

Another blatant Nah Uh response.

Originally posted by darthgoober

And during a period of consistant writing that kind of thing would be solid proof, but this was a period of massively inconsistant writing and one time feats and Thor's statement leads one to believe that the hammer's being blasted from his hand and returning.

You are wrong. Plain and simple.

This leap of faith argument shows just how beaten and desperate you are.

Originally posted by darthgoober

It does, pretty directly in fact.

Prove it. Please attempt to address what I wrote at all.

Originally posted by darthgoober

A. He doesn't need to know that the enchantment is from Odin.

B. Yeah he did, when the hammer was returning to Thor's hand and Surfer tries to blast it away.

C. Except for the fact that he was suddenly able to keep Thor's hammer away from him.

D. I don't know why not.

No it's just that you haven't acknowedged that you were trolling from the begining until now.

A.) He need to know that there is an enchantment on it if he is going to reference it.

B.) Incorrect. You are wrong.

C.) It has nothing to do with the enchantment. He simply placed a force field over it.

D.) There is no reason for someone to.

It it not my problem that your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are so abyssal that you never understood what I was responding to.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Well when someone says that the sky's made out of cheese, there's not much response warranted beyond "no it's not".

That Surfer knows Thor's hammer returns to him? Of course I have, he saw the damn thing do it. [/B][/QUOTE]

Dodging the point.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Hey I've been on the same page, you were the one who evidently tried to steer the discussion away from what I was originally talking about while insisting that you were addressing my original post.

You have very poor critical thinking skills.

What you were talking about before I replied has no relevance to what it was I responded to and set as the 'discussing topic'.

Originally posted by Spire
Your response was pure trolling. No evidence, no critical thinking, just Nah Uh responses.

Originally posted by Spire
That you were dodging.

Originally posted by Spire
Something BEFORE that, like I have already stated.

Stop trolling.

I'm not trolling, I'm referencing the very thing you're asking for.

Originally posted by Spire
You're lost.

I responded two pages ago about your denial induced argument that Surfer was talking about Odin's enchantment rather than Mjolnir just being more powerful than he power cosmic.

Apparently you still haven't caught on to that.

Also, several times you tried to distract and turn it into an Asgardian and a Herald.

Yeah, you said a bunch of "that doesn't matters" while trying to steer clear of the contexty of the discussion that I was actually engaging in, we all get that.

Originally posted by Spire
He needs to know so that you can make your denial argument that he was talking about something he already knows. What a blatant troll response.

IT DOES NOT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. SECONDLY, HE WOULD HAVE SIMPLY PLACED A FORCE FIELD OVER IT AND SKIPPED THE PART OF TRYING TO SEPARATE HIM FROM THE HAMMER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

YEAH IT DOES. THOR THROWS THE HAMMER, SURFER DODGES, AND SURFER STARTS BLASTING THE HAMMER AWAY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY REACHES THOR'S HAND. (See, I have a caps lock button too).

Originally posted by Spire
It was PART of my point and Surfer does not know exactly what makes the hammer return nor did he care. Therefore, he would not be referencing it later.

Another blatant Nah Uh response.

Originally posted by Spire
You are wrong. Plain and simple.

This leap of faith argument shows just how beaten and desperate you are.

Originally posted by Spire
Prove it. Please attempt to address what I wrote at all.

Originally posted by Spire
A.) He need to know that there is an enchantment on it if he is going to reference it.

B.) Incorrect. You are wrong.

C.) It has nothing to do with the enchantment. He simply placed a force field over it.

D.) There is no reason for someone to.

It it not my problem that your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are so abyssal that you never understood what I was responding to.

A. If it's a magic hammer, it's enchanted. Pretty basic stuff...

B. Nope, happened right there on panel.

C. Which kept it away opposed to his earlier efforts to keep the two seperated.

D. Except for the writers wanting to fill the readers in you mean...

Originally posted by Spire
Dodging the point.

No your point was that Surfer didn't know, my point was that he would know for reasons already stated. That's not dodging the point, that's addresing it.

Originally posted by Spire
You have very poor critical thinking skills.

What you were talking about before I replied has no relevance to what it was I responded to and set as the 'discussing topic'.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nonesense, it's just that thed evidence and critical thinking aspects have already been posted and you choose to ignore them.

Comedy.

You have simply been trolling with Nah Uh, 'interpretations' and assumptions.

Originally posted by darthgoober

No, that you weren't actually addressing my first as you were claiming before.

More trolling.

Originally posted by darthgoober

It doesn't need to be mentioned before that, him mentioning it then is enough.

I'm not trolling, I'm referencing the very thing you're asking for.

You are purposely trolling by not applying ANY critical thinking skills and just responding with 'Nah Uh'.

It does need to be mentioned so that you can prove your argument.

YOU ARE TROLLING. FLAT-OUT. You have not shown me an instance BEFORE this alleged 'referencing' statement of Surfer's.

One more time:

Show me an instance instance BEFORE Surfer made a statement.

BEFORE.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Yeah, you said a bunch of "that doesn't matters" while trying to steer clear of the contexty of the discussion that I was actually engaging in, we all get that.

Another dodge. More examples of your horrid reading comphrension skills and trollish antics.

Originally posted by darthgoober

He does know, he saw it and talked about it in fact(as we've covered repeatedly).

Prove that he knows Odin placed an enchantment upon Mjolnir. Prove he knows the details of said enchantment.

Originally posted by darthgoober

YEAH IT DOES. THOR THROWS THE HAMMER, SURFER DODGES, AND SURFER STARTS BLASTING THE HAMMER AWAY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY REACHES THOR'S HAND. (See, I have a caps lock button too).

Except that he did.

Prove it.

The caps were an attempt to assist you in addressing points and applying critical thinking skills. Now, it seems you are just trolling because you unable to prove your arguments.

Originally posted by darthgoober

You think the fact that I don't sweat inconsistancy from 70's comics a sign of desperation... lol .

One hundred percent.

Originally posted by darthgoober

I already have repeatedly and there's not much point in continuing since you've admitted that you've just been trolling this whole time.

More trolling.

Go ahead and post/repost where it was that you addressed what I said.

Originally posted by darthgoober

A. If it's a magic hammer, it's enchanted. Pretty basic stuff...

B. Nope, happened right there on panel.

C. Which kept it away opposed to his earlier efforts to keep the two seperated.

D. Except for the writers wanting to fill the readers in you mean...

A.) Going the 'It's enchanted and the hammer returning definitely could not be the result of something else in this place I have never been and know nothing about' route-- Enchanted by whom? What kind of enchantments?

B.) Blatant lie. You have nothing. I'm guessing you haven't posted the scan because you are too embarrassed. More 'Nah Uh' from you.

C.) He never tried to keep them away, as he would have just placed a force around it right then and there. Only after knocking Thor down was he able to keep Mjolnir out of reach. Your argument is destroyed further, as assuming your lies and arguments made out of denial are indeed true, the enchantment DID NOT TRIGGER at that time so it is illogical to assume Surfer is referencing it.

D.) Irony. Surfer doesn't know about Odin's enchantment nor has he tested it. Therefore, Surfer has no reason to be talking about it. One would actually have to misinterpret scans, fail on knowledge pertaining to character lore, put mental blocks over comments certain characters have said in the book, ignore the context of the book, and lastly, lie and dodge and shout 'Nah Uh' whenever possible to believe otherwise.

Out of any of the boards I have ever participated in/lurked on, you are without a doubt one of the weakest posters I have ever seen.

Originally posted by darthgoober

No your point was that Surfer didn't know, my point was that he would know for reasons already stated. That's not dodging the point, that's addresing it.

You have dodged so much in an attempt to distract from being wrong I don't know where the source of this started by clicking back. I know it was one of the several points I have made, but there was another piece to it.

Surfer doesn't know WHY the hammer returns.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Sure it does. After all you were the one insisting that you were addressing what I was talking about. The fact that you just chimed in to attack my post without actually paying any head to the context behind what I was saying or addressing the reasoning behind my conclusions just means that you were trolling the whole time. No biggie though, it just means that your posts aren't really worth responding to anymore than big Q himself when he trys similar tactics(just so you know though, you're not nearly as good as he when it comes to execution).

It is ok(not really) that your critical thinking/reading comprehension skills were not up to par and you didn't understand what it was I chose to respond to and set as 'the topic' for discussion.

I'm just glad you aren't crying about characters being more powerful than each other. 👆

Again...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nonesense, it's just that thed evidence and critical thinking aspects have already been posted and you choose to ignore them.

No, that you weren't actually addressing my first as you were claiming before.

It doesn't need to be mentioned before that, him mentioning it then is enough.

I'm not trolling, I'm referencing the very thing you're asking for.

Yeah, you said a bunch of "that doesn't matters" while trying to steer clear of the contexty of the discussion that I was actually engaging in, we all get that.

He does know, he saw it and talked about it in fact(as we've covered repeatedly).

YEAH IT DOES. THOR THROWS THE HAMMER, SURFER DODGES, AND SURFER STARTS BLASTING THE HAMMER AWAY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY REACHES THOR'S HAND. (See, I have a caps lock button too).

Except that he did.

You think the fact that I don't sweat inconsistancy from 70's comics a sign of desperation... lol .

I already have repeatedly and there's not much point in continuing since you've admitted that you've just been trolling this whole time.

A. If it's a magic hammer, it's enchanted. Pretty basic stuff...

B. Nope, happened right there on panel.

C. Which kept it away opposed to his earlier efforts to keep the two seperated.

D. Except for the writers wanting to fill the readers in you mean...

No your point was that Surfer didn't know, my point was that he would know for reasons already stated. That's not dodging the point, that's addresing it.

Sure it does. After all you were the one insisting that you were addressing what I was talking about. The fact that you just chimed in to attack my post without actually paying any head to the context behind what I was saying or addressing the reasoning behind my conclusions just means that you were trolling the whole time. No biggie though, it just means that your posts aren't really worth responding to anymore than big Q himself when he trys similar tactics(just so you know though, you're not nearly as good as he when it comes to execution).

Now when you're ready to have a real debate just look me up, but as long as you're just going to ignore evidence and repond to anything you don't like with "that doesn't matter" you're really not worth the time/effort.