Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Once again Gideon, ANY part of the script that doesn't contradict the movie is considered canon, whether you like it or not. You do not have the authority to change/set the stipulations for something to be considered as such. Therefore, you fail. Your long, drawn out, and dilluted responses cannot change this either.
Good point.
On the contrary, I have noticed that you post after almost all of my posts and keep on mocking me (btw the arguments that you're trying to convey through your mocking are invalid and illogical on many levels) so much that your really have something for me. Are you sure you aren't some stalker?
BTW, Mace cloaks himself and pwns Sidious 😆 But that's only if Sidious's crack security team that can almost hit a guy at point blank range when using space age targeting systems and can almost beat a bunch of stone age ewoks somehow misses Mace. Obviously the security team will catch him even if according to the ROTS novel not even Anakin could track his movements in that fight.
That was... frighteningly [un]original. As far as you're concerned, I had you on ignore and never addressed you. Hardly the actions of a stalker.
You, on the other hand, apparently sought my attention to the point that my current stalker told you to ease up. Combine this with your likely lack of social skills/social life, and you're a stone's throw away from domestic terrorism.
Let go, HWKN. Like I said, if you want to be in touch, you do so on my terms.
Originally posted by Gideon
That was... frighteningly [un]original. As far as you're concerned, I had you on ignore and never addressed you. Hardly the actions of a stalker.You, on the other hand, apparently sought my attention to the point that my current stalker told you to ease up. Combine this with your likely lack of social skills/social life, and you're a stone's throw away from domestic terrorism.
Let go, HWKN. Like I said, if you want to be in touch, you do so on my terms.
I don't hate you, but I'm confused. You say something strange about domestic terrorism. Then you say some stuff about my social life, implying that you're either lying or have been stalking me. You also say "let go". Let go of what? Obviously it can't be about that Luke vs Sidious topic since that would be hypocritical of you, given that you mention it and mock me for it in almost every f-ing thread.
You don't understand, my child. In my divine benevolence, I used your proscribed logic against you in various threads, but nowhere did I try to get your attention. I couldn't care less. You were on ignore and, as far as I'm concerned, you ceased to exist.
As far as people disagreeing with me is concerned, two or three people have hurled out the idea that I have a huge problem when people disagree with me. This isn't true. Because if were true, I'd have Truejedi, Galan, and everyone else on Ignore.
I don't care if you disagree with me, I don't care if you argue with me. What I care about is how you do it.
If you're the type of person to stare at a picture of a goat and tell me that it's a lion, then you'll likely find your way to my Ignore list.
Originally posted by Gideon
You don't understand, my child. In my divine benevolence, I used your proscribed logic against you in various threads, but nowhere did I try to get your attention. I couldn't care less. You were on ignore and, as far as I'm concerned, you ceased to exist.
The problem is that you don't use my "proscribed logic". You use a twisted, inaccurate version of it. Luke cloaking himself is an accurate idea because it's supported by feats, but Obi Wan hasn't been shown to be able to cloak himself and thus does not go against my logic. Therefore, you're using inaccurate analogies.
As far as people disagreeing with me is concerned, two or three people have hurled out the idea that I have a huge problem when people disagree with me. This isn't true. Because if were true, I'd have Truejedi, Galan, and everyone else on Ignore.
I don't care if you disagree with me, I don't care if you argue with me. What I care about is how you do it.
If you're the type of person to stare at a picture of a goat and tell me that it's a lion, then you'll likely find your way to my Ignore list.
What?
1. How do security guards see someone that moves faster than the eye can see and can cloak himself?
2. How do the security guards or droids monitoring the security cameras see someone that moves faster than the eye can see?
3. How does Sidious stop a bunch of Stealth X's showing up in orbit around Coruscant and bombing his palace?
Even if you disagree with the above points, they are definitely not bad points. They make sense.
HWKN
1. How do security guards see someone that moves faster than the eye can see and can cloak himself?
Nemesis pointed out the error to this; a Jedi Master would not be able to simultaneously stay cloaked and deceive security sensors indefinitely. Palpatine's palace is the largest structure on Coruscant; there's nothing to indicate that any of the Jedi (including Skywalker) have the strength necessary for such a feat long enough to locate Palpatine (who is equally capable of shielding himself in the Force) and then kill him before alerting security.
HWKN
2. How do the security guards or droids monitoring the security cameras see someone that moves faster than the eye can see?
That assumes Jedi Masters could do so indefinitely.
HWKN
3. How does Sidious stop a bunch of Stealth X's showing up in orbit around Coruscant and bombing his palace?
If memory serves (and Wookiee seems to corroborate), StealthXs are not capable of indefinite cloaking. The moment they fire their proton torpedoes or communicate via comlink, they give away their positions. Furthermore, there's no indication that they would be able to destroy the entire palace.
Originally posted by Gideon
Nemesis pointed out the error to this; a Jedi Master would not be able to simultaneously stay cloaked and deceive security sensors indefinitely. Palpatine's palace is the largest structure on Coruscant; there's nothing to indicate that any of the Jedi (including Skywalker) have the strength necessary for such a feat long enough to locate Palpatine (who is equally capable of shielding himself in the Force) and then kill him before alerting security.
Jedi move pretty darn fast. And even if security is alerted they may not be fast enough to catch Luke or another powerful Jedi Master.
That assumes Jedi Masters could do so indefinitely.
He/she doesn't have to do so indefinitely. It doesn't take forever to go up to building.
If memory serves (and Wookiee seems to corroborate), StealthXs are not capable of indefinite cloaking. The moment they fire their proton torpedoes or communicate via comlink, they give away their positions. Furthermore, there's no indication that they would be able to destroy the entire palace.
1. By the time they fire their torpedoes Sidious would already be screwed.
2. Concussion missiles in Star Wars have a force measuring in the megatons. That's several times that of Hiroshima, and there could be multiple Stealth X's firing multiple of them.
HWKN
Jedi move pretty darn fast. And even if security is alerted they may not be fast enough to catch Luke or another powerful Jedi Master.
This is why I detest arguing with you. What makes you think they need to catch them?
Spoiler:
The objective would be to secure Palpatine. Once security is alerted to intruders and uses common threat assessment, Palpatine would already be gone.
HWKN
He/she doesn't have to do so indefinitely. It doesn't take forever to go up to building.
I'm not aware of a single instance in which a Jedi Master has run at incredible speeds for indefinite periods of time. Are you? All I've seen are quick bursts of speed or long enough to wage a duel. As per the Revenge of the Sith novelization, Palpatine himself was "exhausted" after dueling with Yoda, due to the speed he needed to use.
So if your argument is that they could maintain their Force speed for however long it would take to locate and kill Palpatine, you'll need to back it up.
HWKN
1. By the time they fire their torpedoes Sidious would already be screwed.
Not really.
HWKN
2. Concussion missiles in Star Wars have a force measuring in the megatons. That's several times that of Hiroshima, and there could be multiple Stealth X's firing multiple of them.
Proton torpedoes come in all sizes and yields; I'm not aware of a single source that says multiple torpedoes could destroy the entirety of the Imperial Palace. Please find your source.
Originally posted by Gideon
This is why I detest arguing with you. What makes you think they need to catch them?Spoiler:
The objective would be to secure Palpatine. Once security is alerted to intruders and uses common threat assessment, Palpatine would already be gone.
False. Sidious is not as fast as NJO and above Luke, especially when Luke is using a Battle Meld.
I'm not aware of a single instance in which a Jedi Master has run at incredible speeds for indefinite periods of time. Are you? All I've seen are quick bursts of speed or long enough to wage a duel. As per the Revenge of the Sith novelization, Palpatine himself was "exhausted" after dueling with Yoda, due to the speed he needed to use.
Sidious was fighting for several minutes. Luke and company would be running, which would not require as much concentration as fighting one of the most powerful Jedi in Star Wars. Besides, Luke has shown to be able to disguise his identity using the Force.
So if your argument is that they could maintain their Force speed for however long it would take to locate and kill Palpatine, you'll need to back it up.
Since when is the Emperor's Palace all that tall? That would affect "however long it would take".
Not really.
Yes really, unless if you think that Sidious can outrun a missile.
Proton torpedoes come in all sizes and yields; I'm not aware of a single source that says multiple torpedoes could destroy the entirety of the Imperial Palace. Please find your source.
I was referring to concussion missiles.
HWKN
False. Sidious is not as fast as NJO and above Luke, especially when Luke is using a Battle Meld.
I stopped reading here. Back on ignore you go.
Edit: Before you start complaining, here's why: a.) you haven't proven that he's faster and b.) no one said Sidious was faster. My point is that Luke won't be able to locate a Force user who can shield his presence in a massively large palace before security contacts the Emperor and says "get the fvck out of here" and leaves.
Originally posted by Gideon
I stopped reading here. Back on ignore you go.[b]Edit
: Before you start complaining, here's why: a.) you haven't proven that he's faster and b.) no one said Sidious was faster. My point is that Luke won't be able to locate a Force user who can shield his presence in a massively large palace before security contacts the Emperor and says "get the fvck out of here" and leaves. [/B]
Even if you disprove that argument (which you haven't), you haven't disproved that Stealth X argument. Instead, you make up some BS excuse that you stopped reading there.
A bunch of Jedi in Stealth X's ambush Sidious and bomb his palace.
You lose.
To sum it up:
The Jedi get into Stealth X's and drop out of hyperspace orbiting Coruscant or near Coruscant. They then proceed to bomb Sidious's palace.
Gideon can moan about this, but the Jedi win. He used the lame excuse that he "stopped reading there" in order to avoid having to counter that argument.
Originally posted by SwordOfTheJedi
Here's one thought. Why couldn't Luke just fly into Coruscant by himself in an Imperial shuttle, shield his Force signature from Palpatine, land the shuttle, then infiltrate the Imperial Palace? Why go to lengths of bringing in a Stealth X squadron to bomb?
Double post: not saying it would be a sure thing that Luke would kill Sids, but seems more practical.
Originally posted by Gideon
Sir, kindly debate that point on the relevant thread plz.Spoiler:
This, right here, is why remaking the thread wasn't a bad idea, N[exodus]. So STFU.
You are right, my good man. I just became so enamored with your duel, that I didn't even see what the thread subject matter was.
Matter at hand:
Windu and Anakin win.