Kas'im vs Anakin and Windu

Forgot in OP: Vaapad (the fighting form) can be used, but the state of mind aspect of it is left out.

How exactly would that work? You can swing your sword but you can't think about it?

This is blatant speculation. The only worthwhile discussion is one where Mace is not gimped into something we've never seen, and in that discussion Kas'im is overpowered by the two Force Titans' abilities.

It means Windu can use the deadliest form, but he cannot reach that state of mind he was in while dueling Sidious and match him.

isn't that what the deadliest for IS though? What we saw in ROTS? And also, Vapaad, even when not facing someone of Sidious's caliber can produce what we saw in shatterpoint where he punched Kar Vastor in the face 4 times "before he could blink".

Originally posted by Shoes
It means Windu can use the deadliest form, but he cannot reach that state of mind he was in while dueling Sidious and match him.

you make no sence

Simply put, treat Vaapad like a saber form (like Dooku's Makashi) and not like the state of mind in which Windu can absorb darkness and release it again.

1. Why would Sidious learn the Force storm technique and not use it in the numerous opportunities he had? Is this a typical display of Sidious's blinding arrogance?

2. Vapaad is both a fighting form and state of mind.

Originally posted by Shoes
you make no sence

Simply put, treat Vaapad like a saber form (like Dooku's Makashi) and not like the state of mind in which Windu can absorb darkness and release it again.

Originally posted by truejedi
actually, yes. I appreciate your reams of evidence to the contrary, but you will have to do better.

As was stated earlier... Anakin was said Shatterpoint. It's Canon bub.

Originally posted by Galan007
And we are greatly hindering Vaapad, why?

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
As was stated earlier... Anakin was said Shatterpoint. It's Canon bub.

Jinsoku, you do me a GIANT misservice if you think I DON'T KNOW what is written in the book. Anakin was his shatterpoint, but that shatterpoint didn't help Mace defeat Sidious.

I suggest you re-read the passage, and then make a counter-argument. Your "no" is a very poor representation of your ability methinks.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
As was stated earlier... Anakin was said Shatterpoint. It's Canon bub.

Dumb niqqer. Read.

Feeling for its shatterpoint.
He found a knot of fault lines in the shadow's future; he chose the
largest fracture and followed it back to the here and the
now-
And it led him, astonishingly, to a man standing frozen in the
slashed-open doorway. Mace had no need to look; the presence in the Force
was familiar, and was as uplifting as sunlight breaking through a
thunderhead.
The chosen one was here.

Read on Shoes you Idiot. His victory over Sidious had NOTHING to do with said shatterpoint.

I thought that another shatterpoint was the windows.

that is not stated.

Originally posted by truejedi
Jinsoku, you do me a GIANT misservice if you think I DON'T KNOW what is written in the book. Anakin was his shatterpoint, but that shatterpoint didn't help Mace defeat Sidious.

I suggest you re-read the passage, and then make a counter-argument. Your "no" is a very poor representation of your ability methinks.

TJ, I've been buried in work the last few days but will get back to you on this matter as soon as possible.

Originally posted by truejedi
Read on Shoes you Idiot. His victory over Sidious had NOTHING to do with said shatterpoint.

You're twisting my words to attempt to fit your pathetic and invalid argument. He claimed that Windu didn't realise Anakin was his shatterpoint until after the fight, whereas the above quote states the opposite.

Furthermore, re-read ROTS. One line explicitly states that they were at an impasse, and the only way he could beat him was through shatterpoint.

then he finds said shatterpoint, which is anakin, then sidious goes out on the ledge (which was not a shatterpoint, according to the novel anyway) and the rest is history. Mace's shatterpoint didn't help him in this duel. (though he tried to use it)

This was a point that intrigued me.

The novel says that he was able to disarm him because "his fear made him hesitate". Well, that's all fine and dandy, but then Palpatine roars that the fear he felt wasn't actually his. Now, if that were the case, that means that Windu never legitimately beat him.