Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosare we now allowed to insult each other by the forum rules?
Second hand smoke hurts people. Racism hurts people. Telling people not to smoke or be racist doesn't hurt people. These are thing we should tell people not to do.As inimalist and I have said several times, not are judgments and discrimination are equal.
If we apply your reasoning then imprisoning someone for murder is bad because it is hypocritically taking rights from someone in response to them infringing on someone else's rights. Your analysis is incredibly naive.
Wait let me make that less PC. You're a ****ing moron.
If you just stand somewhere and scream profanities at people then, yes, something is seriously wrong with your brain. I can't imagine why you would claim differently.
i am talking if the examples i gave not hypocritical hiding behind the mask of PC?
you can make extreme examples and disagree with yourself all you want but i am asking a very reasonable question not asinine examples
Originally posted by Bardock42
I was quite shocked to see you posting. You took a very, very long leave this time.
If by "shocked" you meant "giddy with excitement"...then thanks. As for the extended leave, the board just ain't what it used to be...and I'm like the hailey's comet of posters.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
dogkarma..
What? I mean, that ain't even close.
There are so many things to debate and discuss. PC'ness is what it is, and you won't be able to disuade a PC'er from their beliefs as it is a cloak of safety.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
If by "shocked" you meant "giddy with excitement"...then thanks. As for the extended leave, the board just ain't what it used to be...and I'm like the hailey's comet of posters.
Yeah, but the comet keeps to his schedule. Though it seems like there's a whole new set of people here now than when I first came here, so I guess it makes sense.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
are we now allowed to insult each other by the forum rules?
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Don't want to irritate you by being PC 🙂 Wouldn't you rather have me say how I feel rather than be two-faced?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
anyways... you missed the point and are doing the same thing to me what you did with dogkarma.. playing semantics and dismissing the entire post with a sm@rt@$$ response...
Showing you exactly why your beliefs make no sense and cannot possibly be applied consistently is hardly playing semantics.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i am not saying scream on the side of the road whcih by the way we have that happening every day here in america by various doomsayers and religious fanatics and whatnot..
Yes those doomsayers and religious nuts are generally pretty nuts. What's your point?
Also let's look at your post:
"if i swear and say F#@#@... @$$hole,, f@g...!!sh#$"
That's a person standing there shouting profanities. Literally. There's no other way to parse a string of profanities other than as a string of profanities. You may have intended something different but you sure didn't say it.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you can make extreme examples and disagree with yourself all you want but i am asking a very reasonable question not asinine examples
Woah, woah, woah. You're offended by me being a dick? That's insanely two-faced. Your whole thing has been very clearly about how people should be free to express their feelings in the way they want and now you're offended when people do.
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sigh.. i am pointing out the hypocrisy of the PC ppl and asking you if you dont see it yourself.. your post seem to be a prime example of the PC/hypocrisy
and following forum rules has nothing to do with PC since it blatantly makes it clear what one can do when one signs up and ppl agree to the rules when they sign up.
my example is when some one randomly swears for whatever reason some PC ppl feel the need to correct them by insulting them which would be contradictive of the PC view.
your examples of the extreme from ppl committing murder and being in prison is not remotely the same when it comes to sensitivity of how ppl feel with words... words no one is being physically hurt, maimed or jailed..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh.. i am pointing out the hypocrisy of the PC ppl and asking you if you dont see it yourself.. your post seem to be a prime example of the PC/hypocrisyand following forum rules has nothing to do with PC since it blatantly makes it clear what one can do when one signs up and ppl agree to the rules when they sign up.
my example is when some one randomly swears for whatever reason some PC ppl feel the need to correct them by insulting them which would be contradictive of the PC view.
your examples of the extreme from ppl committing murder and being in prison is not remotely the same when it comes to sensitivity of how ppl feel with words... words no one is being physically hurt, maimed or jailed..
words are offensive, though. not all, but some.
i agree words can be offensive but should ppl forced to be PC by the law or by majority of society where even society in general will punish you via: sueing, loss of job possibly jailed even when it is not even a work related situation.. i firmly believe that hurting a person's feeling does not warrant such a response in the land of the free..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i agree words can be offensive but should ppl forced to be PC by the law or by majority of society where even society in general will punish you via: sueing, loss of job possibly jailed even when it is not even a work related situation.. i firmly believe that hurting a person's feeling does not warrant such a response in the land of the free..
some people need to have sense. if you call a black person the n word in any sort of professional arena, then that's your fault and you should be kicked. why? because a workplace is supposed to be free from persecution or bullying.
you're basically saying total freedom means you should be allowed to infringe on other people's freedoms.
no, i said that when it isnt even a work related area... if a person harasses another person in a work environment i agree they should be fired after having the situation reviewed.. but should ppl be punished and fired for what they do outside of work?
i have seen on the news where ppl are fired b/c they were seen at a rally for or against certain issues from race to politics..
do you think that's going a lil to far?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no, i said that when it isnt even a work related area... if a person harasses another person in a work environment i agree they should be fired after having the situation reviewed.. but should ppl be punished and fired for what they do outside of work?i have seen on the news where ppl are fired b/c they were seen at a rally for or against certain issues from race to politics..
do you think that's going a lil to far?
that? it depends on what it is, tbh.
in some cases, yes, they should be canned.
http://www.asylum.com/2009/07/10/can-you-be-fired-for-being-a-racist-on-your-own-time/
The courts have been characteristically unhelpful in these cases. A judge ruled in favor of NYC employees who rode, off-duty, on a parade float called "Black to the Future: Broad Channel 2098," on First Amendment grounds. An appeals court later overturned that decision, so thanks for that.
Even Supreme Court nominee (and tank-top aficionado) Sonia Sotomayor seems to have conflicting ideas about the policing of off-duty speech. She ruled in favor of a cop who was found to have anonymously sent racist letters in response to charitable solicitations (there's a stand-up guy), but then ruled against a student blogger for calling school administrators "douchebags" in a non-school blog.
While the free speech angle is the sexy one (just ask Larry Flynt or 2 Live Crew), there are lots of variables in that kind of argument. A different, if not better, question is this: When does your boss have to let go and STFU about what you do -- as socially unacceptable as it may be -- on your own time?
Originally posted by LLLLLink
But you see how hypocritical that person would be with that mindset? By disliking another's dislike of gays, race, lifestyle, etc, you (not actually you, Rob) become a hypocrite. Therefore, the only fair way is that either both parties are tolerant or both parties are refrained from having an opinion.
ill put it to you this way.
You run an office. Say there's, a dozen people working there. Half are black, half are white. It becomes made aware that even though it was on their off hours, one of your white employees is a member of the KKK.
Do you honestly think it's ok to keep that person on when you know the black employees are going to have a problem with it and things might escalate?
i wouldnt fire them and chances are whoever is bringing the issues to work will be fired blk or white..
if the black guy is coming to work riled up and aggravating the situation at work b/c he doesnt agree with the white person's personal and even religious views b/c sometimes racism is rooted in their own form of religion. i would fire the blk if the white guy is just doing hs job,.. what the white guy does on his own time isnt my business as long as he can separate his attitude for a more professional one at work and doesnt allow his views to interfere with his work performance and decision making..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i wouldnt fire them and chances are whoever is bringing the issues to work will be fired blk or white..if the black guy is coming to work riled up and aggravating the situation at work b/c he doesnt agree with the white person's personal and even religious views b/c sometimes racism is rooted in their own form of religion. i would fire the blk if the white guy is just doing hs job,.. what the white guy does on his own time isnt my business as long as he can separate his attitude for a more professional one at work and doesnt allow his views to interfere with his work performance and decision making..
even though his mere presence antagonises the black workers?