Originally posted by Lestov16
How are these rocks going to touch him when they get incinerated as soon as they enter his vicinity?
And since when has Johhny shown that he can incinerate rocks? To get to that kind of heat he'll need to be close to supernova which we have already discussed he'll need time to do so.
As for him dodging the attacks, I don't recall Johnny being given super reflexes, which is something he'll need if he's to dodge whatever the vamps throw at him.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Already beat you to the punch: showed the work to one of my old physics professors.I went to school for physics so whatever he comes up with will be less correct than mine.
However, it doesn't get any more specific than what it stated in the white paper. So if they come up with anything that contradicts the white paper, it is wrong.
Well, I'll post the computations here when they come in. Feel free to scrutinize it or have your prof scrutinize it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And since when has Johhny shown that he can incinerate rocks? To get to that kind of heat he'll need to be close to supernova which we have already discussed he'll need time to do so.As for him dodging the attacks, I don't recall Johnny being given super reflexes, which is something he'll need if he's to dodge whatever the vamps throw at him.
Are you going to tell me Twivamps are as fast as Silver Surfer?
Also, if they are throwing rocks with such speed, wouldn't the friction destroy the rocks?
Originally posted by Lestov16
YouTube videoAre you going to tell me Twivamps are as fast as Silver Surfer?
Also, if they are throwing rocks with such speed, wouldn't the friction destroy the rocks?
In terms of combat speed and reflexes? Yes. Definitely faster than Silver Surfer. SS has great travel speed. Johnny has pretty good travel speed as well. Yet nowhere has it been shown that they have enhanced combat speed or reflexes. Do you think Usain Bolt can dodge punches better than Mayweather?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not have a need to do that: "...if they come up with anything that contradicts the white paper, it is wrong."
Well, chances are (as I liked the white paper to them) they'll be basing some of their comps on the white paper, or (at least cite reasons why they opted to contradict it) so it prolly won't. Again, we'll see.
Be it as it may, will post the calcs here anyway. And whatever comments they may have about your own math (whenever I get around to sending it). Whether you'd wish to accept it/scrutinize it/deny it/whatever. Is really up to you. Same goes for everyone else who comes upon it on the forums.
Fair enough?
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd like to see Mayweather hit Bolt while Bolt's running, fool be long gone.
Then Bolt would be running away from the fight, not fighting. So put into context, sure Johnny could run away from the vamps, or rather just fly away. If he intends to get into the fight, I'm still waiting for a proper rebuttal on how he's going to avoid getting knocked out by rocks.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yet nowhere has it been shown that they have enhanced combat speed or reflexes. Do you think Usain Bolt can dodge punches better than Mayweather?
This is a good point. Many people yell "speed!" but forget that combat speed is not the same as straight-line speed.
For instance, I am pretty dang fast in a straight line but Sadako has years of boxing experience: he'd probably kick my ass in a boxing ring.
Some posters would cry, 'But he's so much bigger and faster than Sadako! He would win!" Nope. That's not how a fight actually works. The ability to react and move to the other person is a much better indicator of who will win a fight than the person that can move very quickly in a straight line.
I still think the vamps lose because Susan's shield has shown it is strong enough to protect against forces greater than a vampire can put out.
Can Johnny throw fireballs?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, chances are (as I liked the white paper to them) they'll be basing some of their comps on the white paper, or (at least cite reasons why they opted to contradict it) so it prolly won't. Again, we'll see.
They are welcome to connect a dynamometer up to a stump and pull off a horizontally applied force to contradict the results. Unless they do that, no, sorry, they cannot contradict the result if they wish to be correct. But this assumes you've even contacted anyone which I do not believe you actually have.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Be it as it may, will post the calcs here anyway. And whatever comments they may have about your own math (whenever I get around to sending it). Whether you'd wish to accept it/scrutinize it/deny it/whatever. Is really up to you. Same goes for everyone else who comes upon it on the forums.Fair enough?
No, not fair enough. Short of doing the following: "connect a dynamometer up to a stump and pull off a horizontally applied force to contradict the results of a 1 meter diameter tree-stump", the results will not function in any contradictory way. In science, this is called results duplication or results contradiction (if the duplication effort shows a different result than the original).
The best they can come up with is a torque reduction due to the lever arm being 1 meter long.
But then there is the problem of the unknowns: the inertia of the tree (the additional force required to overcome the resting inertia of the tree), the frozen ground, and the short period of time at which Edward pushed the tree over (hint, faster=more force applied). The math from the white paper being applied to the situation (the tree push-over feat) is actually hugely underestimated.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Then Bolt would be running away from the fight, not fighting. So put into context, sure Johnny could run away from the vamps, or rather just fly away. If he intends to get into the fight, I'm still waiting for a proper rebuttal on how he's going to avoid getting knocked out by rocks.
Or he could fly in circles at high speeds while raining down a fiery death and not forfeit the fight.
Trying to recall, but didn't someone shoot at him and the bullets disintegrated cos of his heat?
Originally posted by Robtard
Or he could fly in circles at high speeds while raining down a firy death while not forfeiting the fight.Trying to recall, but didn't someone shoot at him and the bullets disintegrated cos of his heat?
If that happened, then we'd need to consult the heat of vaporization table for stones to see if it would be affected in the same manner.
That is a topic/discussion we already explored and we couldn't find shit on it. Granite is a composite material, as well...and the vamps...well...we don't even know what type of material they are.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If that happened, then we'd need to consult the heat of vaporization table for stones to see if it would be affected in the same manner.
You'd also have to factor in the [slower] speed of the rocks, as they'd be subjected to his heat at varying distances for possibly a longer duration of time.
How fast where the twivamps throwing the baseball? Cos it stands to reason it wasn't bullet speeds.
Originally posted by Robtard
Or he could fly in circles at high speeds while raining down a fiery death and not forfeit the fight.Trying to recall, but didn't someone shoot at him and the bullets disintegrated cos of his heat?
I don't recall bullets disintegrating, but my memory is bad so it might have happened. Then we'll have to see whether the melting/disintegrating temperature of bullets is the same as rock, which I'm pretty sure it isn't. Bullets are pretty soft.
In any case, sure Johnny can fly at circles throwing fireballs... not sure how successful he will be at hitting the fast moving vamps. Due to the vamps superior reflex speed they'd have an easier time hitting johnny than the other way around.
Originally posted by Lestov16
How are these rocks going to touch him when they get incinerated as soon as they enter his vicinity?
Do you know how fast the rocks are moving?
And Johnny moving as fast as he was against the Surfer isn't going to be able to focus on attacks that would hurt the Cullens.
He needs to slow down or stop at some stage to focus on flame bursts or fireballs.
Another point I'm gonna throw out there is Johnny setting fire to the forest. It will create smoke. the Cullens don't need to breathe and the smoke will supply them cover whilst a burning man will appear in the sky for them to coordinate their attacks.
Originally posted by KingD19
I don't see what's stopping Sue and Johnny from pulling the Nova Flare Forcefield as soon as the match starts. If it was enough to turn Doom white hot, then it should be enough to hurt/burn/melt the Cullens.
I believe the original argument to this was that Sue would need to make her shield pretty darn fast considering how easy it would be for the vamps to run outside the range of her shield. Even just one vamp outside her shield could ram into her and break her shield. There's also Edward's telepathy and Alice's precog that will allow them to see what she's planning to do.