Fantastic Four vs Twilight

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall bullets disintegrating, but my memory is bad so it might have happened. Then we'll have to see whether the melting/disintegrating temperature of bullets is the same as rock, which I'm pretty sure it isn't. Bullets are pretty soft.

In any case, sure Johnny can fly at circles throwing fireballs... not sure how successful he will be at hitting the fast moving vamps. Due to the vamps superior reflex speed they'd have an easier time hitting johnny than the other way around.

I'm not sure either. I'd have to watch FF4 and FF4 2 again, that's not happening.

The Twilight wolves whose combat-speed isn't anything uberly spectacular have no problem biting the vampires<--clicky, so I don't see Johnny having much trouble hitting them with a ball, jet or wall of flame, especially from a advantage point of being up above.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not sure either. I'd have to watch FF4 and FF4 2 again, that's not happening.

The Twilight wolves whose combat-speed isn't anything spectacular have no problem biting the vampires, so I don't see Johnny having much trouble hitting them with a ball, jet or wall of flame.

Somewhere in the Twilight movies, Jacob states how the Wolves actually have enhanced speed. Or I think he says they're fast enough to match the vamp's speed. So they wolves actually have superspeed. But yeah, I'm not watching those movies again to look for the exact line.

If I'm really bored one of these days I might browse through the FF4 movies to look for the bullet disintegrating feat... at least that's easier to do than browse over the Twilight movies.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Somewhere in the Twilight movies, Jacob states how the Wolves actually have enhanced speed. Or I think he says they're fast enough to match the vamp's speed. So they wolves actually have superspeed. But yeah, I'm not watching those movies again to look for the exact line.

If I'm really bored one of these days I might browse through the FF4 movies to look for the bullet disintegrating feat... at least that's easier to do than browse over the Twilight movies.

In running in a mostly straight line, yes, they're all incredibly fast. But remember what you said earlier about running speed and combat-speed, two different animals.

Watch the clip I linked, combat-speed is meh.

Originally posted by Robtard
Invisible Sue need only trap them in force bubbles.

Sue focusing on becoming invisible then focusing on the already moving Cullens will die via Edwards telepathy and his speed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I believe the original argument to this was that Sue would need to make her shield pretty darn fast considering how easy it would be for the vamps to run outside the range of her shield. Even just one vamp outside her shield could ram into her and break her shield. There's also Edward's telepathy and Alice's precog that will allow them to see what she's planning to do.

Her Forcefield fully encompassed Doom and Johnny in moments and raised up about 30ft high or so in a few more seconds. It's fast enough to get them, and they won't be breaking through it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Her Forcefield fully encompassed Doom and Johnny in moments and raised up about 30ft high or so in a few more seconds. It's fast enough to get them, and they won't be breaking through it.

It's fast enough to enclose ONE enemy who doesn't have superspeed. In this scenario she'll be trying to enclose 7 enemies who all have superspeed. 1 of those has telepathy and 1 has precog. Very very different scenarios.

And Edward will have to focus on 4 very different minds all at once, while Alice can only predict that a giant force field is gonna form around us.

The Cullen's still have to move, and they aren't faster than the speed of thought.

Originally posted by Robtard
In running in a mostly straight line, yes, they're all incredibly fast. But remember what you said earlier about running speed and combat-speed, two different animals.

Watch the clip I linked, combat-speed is meh.

Their combat speed is inconsistent, but they do use it. Here is an example of their combat speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIGSFHOiUM

It's not always shown that they use it, but it is there. So it is still a viable option to use in this match.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall bullets disintegrating, but my memory is bad so it might have happened. Then we'll have to see whether the melting/disintegrating temperature of bullets is the same as rock, which I'm pretty sure it isn't. Bullets are pretty soft.

In any case, sure Johnny can fly at circles throwing fireballs... not sure how successful he will be at hitting the fast moving vamps. Due to the vamps superior reflex speed they'd have an easier time hitting johnny than the other way around.

Bullets are almost always lead and lead has a melting point of less than 700 F/350 C.

There is a semi-related table that I go to for discussions like these:

http://periodictable.com/Elements/082/data.html

But it uses joules per mol for HoV...which is difficult to assess for this thread. A 9mm handgun bullet has a mass of around 8 grams.

Granite is composite...but it melts and vapes at much higher temperatures than lead.

Given that you have to break apart a vamp to even burn them (else they are just fire proof), I'd say Johnny just throwing fireballs is not enough. Thing has to crack their bodies, imo, to get the fire going.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Edward will have to focus on 4 very different minds all at once, while Alice can only predict that a giant force field is gonna form around us.

The Cullen's still have to move, and they aren't faster than the speed of thought.

Edward doesn't need to "focus" to read minds. He effortlessly hears everyone around him. The only time he needs to "focus" is when he intentionally doesn't want to hear somebody.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Their combat speed is inconsistent, but they do use it. Here is an example of their combat speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIGSFHOiUM

It's not always shown that they use it, but it is there. So it is still a viable option to use in this match.

That was one time and one scene which doesn't fit with the rest of the portrayals. It's an outlier.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Sue focusing on becoming invisible then focusing on the already moving Cullens will die via Edwards telepathy and his speed.

Who is to say that she won't have partial to full immunity to Edward's mind reading abilities? In the comics, Sue certainly does have a moderate immunity to other telepaths and even telekinesis.

Originally posted by Robtard
That was one time and one scene which doesn't fit with the rest of the portrayals. It's an outlier.

No, that's not an outlier. Their speed is much closer to the books in the last film...and it happens quite often. So, no, not outliers. The outliers would be the slowed down portrayals, not the speed up ones. We can assume that the slower versions are done that way so we, the human viewers, can keep up with it.

Originally posted by Robtard
That was one time and one scene which doesn't fit with the rest of the portrayals. It's an outlier.

Ok... how bout this. Alice uses her speed to a lesser extent while sparring with Jasper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9vOuKHQtvw

And Edward uses it again in the end against Victoria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnaEcRwziw

Granted like I said, they don't use it often (which is one of the things I hate about Twilight. They should be either able to do it or not). But still an option.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Who is to say that she won't have partial to full immunity to Edward's mind reading abilities? In the comics, Sue certainly does have a moderate immunity to other telepaths and even telekinesis.

Because until it's been shown on film or even at least hinted at, we can assume that Sue has about as much telepathic immunity as the next girl.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that's not an outlier. Their speed is much closer to the books in the last film...and it happens quite often. So, no, not outliers. The outliers would be the slowed down portrayals, not the speed up ones. We can assume that the slower versions are done that way so we, the human viewers, can keep up with it.

Books don't count here, queer.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok... how bout this. Alice uses her speed to a lesser extent while sparring with Jasper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9vOuKHQtvw

And Edward uses it again in the end against Victoria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnaEcRwziw

Granted like I said, they don't use it often (which is one of the things I hate about Twilight. They should be either able to do it or not). But still an option.

All you had to say was "greatest feats". which is what we go with here. 🙂 I know it counts.

Originally posted by Robtard
Books don't count here, queer.

You could have posted something more irrelevant to the point I made in my post....you could have...but it would have been difficult to accomplish.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You could have posted something more irrelevant to the point I made in my post....you could have...but it would have been difficult to accomplish.

Nope. What I said was sufficient, as books don't count here, queer.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. What I said was sufficient, as books don't count here, queer.

Now if only my point was about stuff from the books...

You'll get there one day, champ.