Originally posted by the ninjakBy continually moving, which he will be doing since he's flying around with people throwing stuff at him. Also, while they are throwing shit at him I guess the rest of the F4 are just lounging around.
How is he dodging continuous rocks thrown by speed blitzers from all angles?And Johnny has never used extreme heat to defeat threats on screen besides when he was contained by Sue.
I agree with your earlier point on if Sue was killed he would then go all out Nova in a rage. That makes sense. Say goodbye to Red and Ben too I guess.
We've seen how accurately they can throw a baseball form large distances straight into 4th base.
And?
Johnny doesn't give a shit about them.
If Johnny can solo via supernova, he does. You guys are limiting him via PIS, which is entirely unfair. I'd assume both parties are at max capacity and bloodlusted (i.e. PIS/CIS off), as they would be in any versus match. Saying Johnny can't solo here is like saying Thor loses a versus match because can't use his Joutenheim blast because he's afraid he'll hurt someone.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's the problem: prove that Edward can read through Sue's Psionic Shield.
That's like asking me to prove to you that you can't fly, and until I provide proof that you can't fly, we have to assume that you CAN fly.
Sorry, but you got it backwards. You have to provide proof where Sue has telepathic resistance above the ordinary. Burden of proof falls to the person claiming a feat that is above the ordinary. Until otherwise proven, all other aspects of the person are considered normal and ordinary. In this argument, we assume that Sue's physical strength is that of the average woman simply because no proof has been given which shows her having superhuman strength.
We also assume she has telepathic resistance similar to a normal person simply because there's no proof showing that she's above this.
Originally posted by Mindset
By continually moving, which he will be doing since he's flying around with people throwing stuff at him. Also, while they are throwing shit at him I guess the rest of the F4 are just lounging around.And?
Johnny doesn't give a shit about them.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Do you know how fast the rocks are moving?And Johnny moving as fast as he was against the Surfer isn't going to be able to focus on attacks that would hurt the Cullens.
He needs to slow down or stop at some stage to focus on flame bursts or fireballs.Another point I'm gonna throw out there is Johnny setting fire to the forest. It will create smoke. the Cullens don't need to breathe and the smoke will supply them cover whilst a burning man will appear in the sky for them to coordinate their attacks.
If Sue isn't protecting herself she's down. And the others can't touch them.
I doubt as I mentioned above Johnny can focus on hitting speed blitzers with fireballs and flame blasts whilst flying at full speed.
Originally posted by the ninjakWhat you doubt he can do hardly matters.
If Sue isn't protecting herself she's down. And the others can't touch them.I doubt as I mentioned above Johnny can focus on hitting speed blitzers with fireballs and flame blasts whilst flying at full speed.
He can fly around fast and shoot fire...
Originally posted by Mindset
What you doubt he can do hardly matters.He can fly around fast and shoot fire...
What accurate projectile feats does he have flying at full speed?
I covered my bases in this debate. All Johnny is gonna do if he flies around the air avoiding rocks is set fire to the forest.
Johnny hitting ground running speed blitzers whilst flying would be like riding a motorbike at full speed and trying to hit flies with tennis balls.
And the Twivamps don't burn unless their bodies are compromised.
Originally posted by the ninjakHe will be blanketing the area with fire, not throwing balls of flame at them.
What accurate projectile feats does he have flying at full speed?I covered my bases in this debate. All Johnny is gonna do if he flies around the air avoiding rocks is set fire to the forest.
Johnny hitting ground running speed blitzers whilst flying would be like riding a motorbike at full speed and trying to hit flies with tennis balls.
And the Twivamps don't burn unless their bodies are compromised.
You haven't covered anything that has been said aside from you having doubts about Johnny being able to fly and shoot fire.
Horrible analogy, btw.
Originally posted by Mindset
He will be blanketing the area with fire, not throwing balls of flame at them.You haven't covered anything that has been said aside from you having doubts about Johnny being able to fly and shoot fire.
Horrible analogy, btw.
We have no feats of Torch ever blanketing an area with fire. We don't know if he has that much firepower. Supernova outburst? Sure. Continuously creating a blanket of flame? Not so sure.
Besides, as mentioned in other posts, the twivamps can only burn once their bodies are broken. Plus a good point that Ninjak points out is how smoke will cover the ground movements.
And AGAIN, the Cullens have a better chance at hitting Johnny than the other way around.
Originally posted by Mindset
He will be blanketing the area with fire, not throwing balls of flame at them.You haven't covered anything that has been said aside from you having doubts about Johnny being able to fly and shoot fire.
Horrible analogy, btw.
The analogy was fine actually.
Johnny can't blanket areas with fire.
Twipvamps don't burn unless compromised.....for the third time.
Johnny ain't doing squat. Cept make the situation worse for himself and the team by setting the forest on fire.
Originally posted by the ninjak
The analogy was fine actually.
Johnny can't blanket areas with fire.
Twipvamps don't burn unless compromised.....for the third time.
Because it's not like Sue and Thing can't "compromise" them right?
How are the vamps getting past Sue's force field and Thing's durability?
Why wouldn't Sue either surround the FF or the Twivamps in a force bubble?
How are the Twivamps going to attack Johnny, who can fly fast enough to get from NYC to D.C. in a matter of minutes?
For that matter, how are they going to hurt Mr. Fantastic? His body will absorb pretty much any impact the TwiVamps try to land.
I'll have to rewatch the FF films (which I didn't find nearly as bad as people said) later today, but I'm pretty sure all 4 have feats which trump the TwiVamps. At the very least Johnny should.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Because it's not like Sue and Thing can't "compromise" them right?
How are the vamps getting past Sue's force field and Thing's durability?
Why wouldn't Sue either surround the FF or the Twivamps in a force bubble?
How are the Twivamps going to attack Johnny, who can fly fast enough to get from NYC to D.C. in a matter of minutes?
For that matter, how are they going to hurt Mr. Fantastic? His body will absorb pretty much any impact the TwiVamps try to land.I'll have to rewatch the FF films (which I didn't find nearly as bad as people said) later today, but I'm pretty sure all 4 have feats which trump the TwiVamps. At the very least Johnny should.
Sue: Never used "bubbles" at long distances or on large settings. She contained Doom and "threatened" him with one in his brain. Small and close area feats. The bridge and London Eye scenes were more like wobbles of telekinetic energy forcing the structures back.
Alice has precog and the FF are celebrity superheroes, they've been on TV displaying their powers. Everybody knows who they are.
The Cullens are running instantly in opposite directions.
If Sue sacrifices defending herself by attempting to contain a speedblitzer, she is open to a punch in the back of the head.
If the FF are close to the Cullens on from the start then it's possible she can contain most if not all of them but if even one is gone she goes down quick. But precog and the FF's fame are against this.
She can only do one thing at a time.
Johnny: Flying through the air and avoiding the constant barrage of rocks flying past him is gonna be a pain in the ass. He can throw Napalm like streams of fire and fireballs. But against beings as fast as the Cullens (who are on their home hunting grounds) is like spitballing mosquitoes. He ain't going Supernova. Maybe if Sue died.
If he slows down to get more precise shots it will only increase the chance of one of those rocks hitting him. And the Cullens were extremely accurate at long range throwing. And Johnny won't take a single rock.
Also if Johnny is just unleashing fire randomly at the running Cullens he's going to set the forest on fire! Which will create smoke and give the Cullens a massive advantage.
Ben: Pointless fighter here. He can't reach or touch one so he just stands there and waits for some kind of opening. If Sue and Johnny go down he ain't touching one of them.
The Movie Thing has no ground stomp or Thunderclap feats.
Eventually the Cullens just blitz his legs, back and head for hours until he goes down. Who know?
Reed: Almost as useless as Ben. But the London Eye feat was shown on TV. I wonder what would happen if the Cullens grab Reed's arms, 2 Cullens each arm and just clench and run zipping and zig zagging through trees until his body finally reaches it's limit?
Who knows? But I'd like to see that.
Phew.
If I'm wrong about Sue then I'll gladly back the FF.
Originally posted by FrothByteOf course he can blanket an area with fire...wtf.
We have no feats of Torch ever blanketing an area with fire. We don't know if he has that much firepower. Supernova outburst? Sure. Continuously creating a blanket of flame? Not so sure.Besides, as mentioned in other posts, the twivamps can only burn once their bodies are broken. Plus a good point that Ninjak points out is how smoke will cover the ground movements.
And AGAIN, the Cullens have a better chance at hitting Johnny than the other way around.
No, they really don't. He is way too fast and mobile to be hit while flying.
Originally posted by the ninjakNo, it was retarded. Fire has a much wider range of aoe than a tennis ball. Yea, he can, he can continually shoot fire, that's all it takes.
The analogy was fine actually.
Johnny can't blanket areas with fire.
Twipvamps don't burn unless compromised.....for the third time.Johnny ain't doing squat. Cept make the situation worse for himself and the team by setting the forest on fire.
Come on, guys...