Originally posted by the ninjak
Johnny would refuse to use a Supernova in an open area.
doesn't matter, he can focus blast his heat, but ok...,he picks the stupid twinklers up and flies them into the sky and then goes supernova. what ever this debate is stupid. johnny just stays on fire and sits down...,twinklers can do nothing..,they get bored and go home. 🙄
Originally posted by the ninjak
Because the two times Johnny went Supernova was--In an enclosed environment that could scientifically contain the effects (but was failing).
-Was focused on Doom. Who stood still whilst Sue provided the protection (and she struggled).7 or so Cullens, vamps who speedblitz around the environment won't be as easy to contain like Doom was. If Sue focuses on one or 2 vamps she is open to being speedblitzed by the rest.
Alice will see such a tactic before it happens and will tell her family to run apart as soon as possible.
Sue can only (in film) make force bubbles in singular selective areas.
Sue would better serve as a defensive character for her own team and more importantly...herself!
Johnny didn't go Supernova the first time he was approaching Supernova, which was the temperature of the sun, and if he reached that then it would be supernova according to Reed.
So the Twilight vampires will be approaching not in a line, but from multiple locations, making a contain on Sues part impossible?
And they will run Headfirst into Sues containment field, or as a alternative, Sue can Shield Ben and Reed while Johnny turns the entire battlefield into a blazing inferno.
True, but that doesn't mean she can't contain the vampires before they split. Alice precog allows her to see incidents a few seconds or something like that before it happens, and imo that isn't enough time to really capitalise on a AoE contain and attack.
And even then Johnny is still in flying mode operating around 3000 Kelvin more then enough to burn a vampire to ashes when he captures it.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
doesn't matter, he can focus blast his heat, but ok...,he picks the stupid twinklers up and flies them into the sky and then goes supernova. what ever this debate is stupid. johnny just stays on fire and sits down...,twinklers can do nothing..,they get bored and go home. 🙄
He'd have to catch them first before he can fly them around. And if he just sits down... the vamps can throw rocks at him or hit him with trees.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Johnny didn't go Supernova the first time he was approaching Supernova, which was the temperature of the sun, and if he reached that then it would be supernova according to Reed.So the Twilight vampires will be approaching not in a line, but from multiple locations, making a contain on Sues part impossible?
And they will run Headfirst into Sues containment field, or as a alternative, Sue can Shield Ben and Reed while Johnny turns the entire battlefield into a blazing inferno.
True, but that doesn't mean she can't contain the vampires before they split. Alice precog allows her to see incidents a few seconds or something like that before it happens, and imo that isn't enough time to really capitalise on a AoE contain and attack.
And even then Johnny is still in flying mode operating around 3000 Kelvin more then enough to burn a vampire to ashes when he captures it.
Alice's precog sometimes allows her to see things happen days in advance.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Alice's precog sometimes allows her to see things happen days in advance.
Months, actually. It becomes stronger (further in advance notice and clarity) if it involves someone she cares about (Cullen clan) and/or the parties involved have made up their mind that results in that vision. If people change their mind in a course of action they were going to take OR werewolves are directly involved, the vision changes or becomes clouded/obscured/nothing.
About the thread: Thing is about 1/4 to 1/8 as strong as a the average non-newborn vampire. His durability is just as high if not higher, however. I think he can put a crack in or even break a limb off. Thing just has to break put a crack in a vamps body and then Johnny just has to light it on fire. Bam, fight is over. I do not see the vampires tearing up Thing like the Vamps do to eachother: Thing is just more durable/less brittle.
The doc is useless. Susan won't be able to bust a blood vessel in any vamps brain because their hearts don't pump and Vamps have super regen. Her shields are also too weak to do much...she should just go invisible and have buttsecks with the Doc while Johnny and Thing take care of the vamps. (Johnny can stay in the air).
I think speed is the real problem, here: the vampires are just so much faster than Thing or any of the Fantastic 4. Sure, Johnny can fly fast but that is not the same thing as fighting that fast. So, I think I have to give it to the vampires on this one...but I don't know how they defeat Thing, yet. Wear him out? Maybe that's the only way is to wear him out.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Months, actually. It becomes stronger (further in advance notice and clarity) if it involves someone she cares about (Cullen clan) and/or the parties involved have made up their mind that results in that vision. If people change their mind in a course of action they were going to take OR werewolves are directly involved, the vision changes or becomes clouded/obscured/nothing.About the thread: Thing is about 1/4 to 1/8 as strong as a the average non-newborn vampire. His durability is just as high if not higher, however. I think he can put a crack in or even break a limb off. Thing just has to break put a crack in a vamps body and then Johnny just has to light it on fire. Bam, fight is over. I do not see the vampires tearing up Thing like the Vamps do to eachother: Thing is just more durable/less brittle.
The doc is useless. Susan won't be able to bust a blood vessel in any vamps brain because their hearts don't pump and Vamps have super regen. Her shields are also too weak to do much...she should just go invisible and have buttsecks with the Doc while Johnny and Thing take care of the vamps. (Johnny can stay in the air).
I think speed is the real problem, here: the vampires are just so much faster than Thing or any of the Fantastic 4. Sure, Johnny can fly fast but that is not the same thing as fighting that fast. So, I think I have to give it to the vampires on this one...but I don't know how they defeat Thing, yet. Wear him out? Maybe that's the only way is to wear him out.
there isn't any way the vampires could win!! If you consider a volcano... the lava it produces is 700 to 1,200 °C.. there is nothing that can survive that kind of heat..
if you take that into consideration, johnny could fight the vampires single handedly... 4000 kelvin or 3726.85 degrees Celsius, would be hot enough to melt the vampires if they get close to him.. he'd just have to stand there and reach that temperature.. he could maintain that temp and walk through their ****ing house for gods sake... there's no way they could kill him... and even though many of your believe the vampires are immune to fire unless cut and decapetated you're pretty dense.. since there is nothing on this planet that can survive that kind of heat.. it's impossible.
Originally posted by Blonde_Ambition
if you take that into consideration, johnny could fight the vampires single handedly... 4000 kelvin or 3726.85 degrees Celsius, would be hot enough to melt the vampires if they get close to him..
Twivampires are biological entities. And when burned, they turn to charcoal: they don't melt. And the only reason they burn is their "blood" (called venom) is flammable. This is why I said a single crack should be enough to set the vamps ablaze.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Twivampires are biological entities. And when burned, they turn to charcoal: they don't melt. And the only reason they burn is their "blood" (called venom) is flammable. This is why I said a single crack should be enough to set the vamps ablaze.
Originally posted by Blonde_Ambition
but seriously.. come on!!!
a crack?? an open wound... tell me then.. what about their mouths?? their nostrils and ear holes?? their dick holes and bum holes.. seriously.. that's all open and exposed...
Ok let's put it this way, what's flammable in a vamp's body is it's blood (or in this case venom). Do we have blood in our mouths? Bum holes?
Besides, if Torch just stays in one place and heats up all the vamps need to do is throw rocks at him. Anyone that strong throwing rocks at you is sure to knock you out if not outright kill you.
Bella is a newborn, which makes her the strongest Cullen. I'd rate her even stronger than Thing.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok let's put it this way, what's flammable in a vamp's body is it's blood (or in this case venom). Do we have blood in our mouths? Bum holes?Besides, if Torch just stays in one place and heats up all the vamps need to do is throw rocks at him. Anyone that strong throwing rocks at you is sure to knock you out if not outright kill you.
Bella is a newborn, which makes her the strongest Cullen. I'd rate her even stronger than Thing.
whatever.. clearly, due to the many many holes in the Twilight world and logic written by mayer, there is no way any marvel fan could win in this thread.. caio.
Originally posted by Blonde_Ambition
but seriously.. come on!!!
a crack?? an open wound... tell me then.. what about their mouths?? their nostrils and ear holes?? their dick holes and bum holes.. seriously.. that's all open and exposed...
Nope, none of those will work. That's just not how it worked in the books or film. I could be a dick/douche and say the only way to defeat a vamp is to tear it apart, throw it in a pile, and set it on fire...because that was what was shown/how it read.
But I know from the books it was their "blood" that is flammable.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't see anything that made me think that Bella could take on Thing...
The Vamps are in the 100+ class but in the low 100+ area.
Thing, from the movie, had trouble pulling a firetruck tanker from falling over the edge of a bridge. It would not require it actually be picked up over the head to pull it up from the edge like that...and those tankers weight 25-30 tons (not tonnes) (so it would have been pulling less than 25-30 tons).
That would be child's play for a Twivamp much less a newborn. So when I said in my post "1/4 to 1/8" the strength of a Twivamp, it was due to actual movie feats.