Originally posted by -Pr-
I was being generous with the 100 in the first place, tbh.
I don't see the twivamps being stronger than Ben.
Not like it matters much in this fight in the long run. I can't see him tagging one.
Unless Sue traps one in a force bubble.
But she has bigger fish to fry. She needs to protect the team.
Johnny flying and increasing his temperature enough to incinerate the forest isn't going to help considering the vamps can just run outside of the influence of the heat.
This fight is contradictory for the Cullens will know of the arrival long before the F4 arrive and would simply escape.
But considering the OP forces this fight into existence means the Cullens wish to converse with these well known celebrity heroes.
Johnny can be defeated in the air via having a rock thrown at him. And once he's down the others will have to either stay behind Sue's force bubble or venture out and try to fight these speed blitzers.
It's a waiting game for the Cullens know their environment. And are expert hunter/stalkers. They can wait the F4 out as they run circles around the environment.
Johnny isn't immune to having a constant barrage of rocks flying at his body.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I don't see the twivamps being stronger than Ben.
Not like it matters much in this fight in the long run. I can't see him tagging one.
Unless Sue traps one in a force bubble.But she has bigger fish to fry. She needs to protect the team.
Johnny flying and increasing his temperature enough to incinerate the forest isn't going to help considering the vamps can just run outside of the influence of the heat.This fight is contradictory for the Cullens will know of the arrival long before the F4 arrive and would simply escape.
But considering the OP forces this fight into existence means the Cullens wish to converse with these well known celebrity heroes.Johnny can be defeated in the air via having a rock thrown at him. And once he's down the others will have to either stay behind Sue's force bubble or venture out and try to fight these speed blitzers.
It's a waiting game for the Cullens know their environment. And are expert hunter/stalkers. They can wait the F4 out as they run circles around the environment.
Johnny isn't immune to having a constant barrage of rocks flying at his body.
Not disputing most of that. Just curious about the strength thing.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not disputing most of that. Just curious about the strength thing.
They ain't stronger than Ben. He held up up major bridge with help. And helped hold up the London Eye. Which weighs 2100 tonnes! And falling well you know the math. 🙂 Reed helped along with Sue, but damn! The Twivamps wouldn't have been able to stop that baby from falling.
Originally posted by the ninjak
They ain't stronger than Ben. He held up up major bridge with help. And helped hold up the London Eye. Which weighs 2100 tonnes! And falling well you know the math. 🙂 Reed helped along with Sue, but damn! The Twivamps wouldn't have been able to stop that baby from falling.
Yeah, that was why I was so curious.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was being generous with the 100 in the first place, tbh.
The vampires are literally "thousands of times stronger than humans", to quote.
There is also the tree push over feat from Edward and, according to physics (based on a white-paper published to help excavators calculate what to use to uproot trees), puts his strength, after I have adjusted for the mechanical advantage his placement on the tree provides, at somewhere between 250 and 350 tonnes-force. Unadjusted it was closer to 450 tonne-force. Factors, such as the tree being alive, in frozen-wet dirt (which greatly increases the force required to horizontally uproot the tree), the mass of the tree, and the swiftness with-which Edward pushed over the tree (meaning, it wasn't max exertion and he could put out more force).
That puts Edward, an average to below-average strength vampire, at a low 100+ Class.
In the books (and if memory serves me right), Bella effortlessly crushed a boulder when she arm wrestled and slammed Emmet's hand on the rock they were fighting on.
But then again, that's book version so it doesn't count. Just thought I'd put that out there so we can get an idea of their strength range.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd like to see sparkleboy crush a Porsche into a ball in under 3-4 seconds. 150+ ton hydraulic car crushes can't do that that fast.
Imagine more than that amount of force being applied over a much smaller area and then you will understand why Bella thinks the vamps handle cars like styrofoam (they can tear up a car or throw it as though it were made of styrofoam).
Originally posted by FrothByte
But then again, that's book version so it doesn't count. Just thought I'd put that out there so we can get an idea of their strength range.
Which is why I recommend not putting Twivamps into the MvF: use the books as they are both more clear and don't water down the vampire abilities to cater to 13-year-old guilds.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Imagine more than that amount of force being applied over a much smaller area and then you will understand why Bella thinks the vamps handle cars like styrofoam (they can tear up a car or throw it as though it were made of styrofoam).Which is why I recommend not putting Twivamps into the MvF: use the books as they are both more clear and don't water down the vampire abilities to cater to 13-year-old guilds.
It's hard to use Twivamps in MvF because the movies focused so much on their (ridiculous) love story and not enough on the fight scenes and special abilities. I mean, I guess in the books the love story was even cheesier, but at least it was able to properly expound on their abilities.
So yeah, I agree with you that Twivamps are hard to use for versus matches, especially since there's already a huge bias against them.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's hard to use Twivamps in MvF because the movies focused so much on their (ridiculous) love story and not enough on the fight scenes and special abilities. I mean, I guess in the books the love story was even cheesier, but at least it was able to properly expound on their abilities.So yeah, I agree with you that Twivamps are hard to use for versus matches, especially since there's already a huge bias against them.
Well written Frothbyte. I've gotten used to public hatred towards people, movies and views throughout the years. I remember when Pulp Fiction had a huge public resentment and viscious response amongst my local community. I'm not saying Twilight is Pulp Fiction, but when it becomes poplular amongst the collective public to hate something. I like to look into why they hate it so much.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Imagine more than that amount of force being applied over a much smaller area and then you will understand why Bella thinks the vamps handle cars like styrofoam (they can tear up a car or throw it as though it were made of styrofoam).Which is why I recommend not putting Twivamps into the MvF: use the books as they are both more clear and don't water down the vampire abilities to cater to 13-year-old guilds.
What specifically in the novels did the vampires do featwise or was explained that put them above their movie counterparts?
I'm going to read the actual novels soon. But what in your personal experience are the points that the movies missed?
Originally posted by the ninjak
What specifically in the novels did the vampires do featwise or was explained that put them above their movie counterparts?
I'm going to read the actual novels soon. But what in your personal experience are the points that the movies missed?
The novels were irritating to read, at times. It is a tough read. But, also, they are much faster in the novels...which is the biggest difference. And there are clearer statements made about the Vamp's strength n'stuff.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Well written Frothbyte. I've gotten used to public hatred towards people, movies and views throughout the years. I remember when Pulp Fiction had a huge public resentment and viscious response amongst my local community. I'm not saying Twilight is Pulp Fiction, but when it becomes poplular amongst the collective public to hate something. I like to look into why they hate it so much.What specifically in the novels did the vampires do featwise or was explained that put them above their movie counterparts?
I'm going to read the actual novels soon. But what in your personal experience are the points that the movies missed?
Well I dislike Twilight, specifically the way they handle the love story. Funny thing is, I ended up picking up the books simply because I hated the movies. I thought to myself, if so many people (girls) like this story, then there must have been something in the books that made them interesting.
In any case, as much as I didn't like the story that much, I have to give credit where credit is due. Those vamps are seriously overpowered. And I believe people don't give them their due respect in versus forums.
As for feats that were in the book that weren't in the movie, I'll only list the few that I recall:
1. In the books, it's specifically shown how the werewolves actually have super speed as well. Enough for them to keep up with the vamps. It's also explained there hasn't been any known method to harm or even break through a vampire's skin, save for another vamp or the bite of a werewolf. In fact when I think about it, the wolves were very much watered down in the movies. They were much more powerful in the books... which should give you an indication of how powerful the vamps were since it usually takes a pack of wolves to bring down 1 vamp.
2. As I mentioned earlier, there's this feat of Bella crushing rock when she slammed Emmet's hand into it as they were arm wrestling.
3. Bella's shield effectively (and effortlessly) shielding her entire party from psychic attacks. I know it's not relevant to this thread but just wanted to point it out. In the movies she's shown as needing to focus her shield on someone to protect her/him.
4. Vamps having such fast and sensitive reflexes that they can drive at top speeds in their sports cars without even needing to look in front of them.
5. Scalpel couldn't cut through Bella's umbilical cord.
6. Edward effortlessly picking up the engine of a pickup truck.
7. I'm pretty sure somewhere in there was a feat of a vamp picking up and uprooting a tree.
If I remember anything else I'll get back to you.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The novels were irritating to read, at times. It is a tough read. But, also, they are much faster in the novels...which is the biggest difference. And there are clearer statements made about the Vamp's strength n'stuff.
The novels were... let's just say an "interesting" read. It falls into the "it's almost so bad it's good" category. The story or the writing itself isn't that bad, it's just that it's written from Bella's point of view and you get to see things through a whiny teenager girl's eyes: and at times that can prove so irritating I literally threw the book. The action scenes were also irritating, as Bella is normally either unconscious or not present during the fights so all she gets (and what you get) are second hand accounts of the fight. Plus you get the incredibly whiny and irritating Edward.
What saved the book for me was that Meyer has this admittedly great skill in creating tension. She writes it in such a way that she keeps the story dangling just in front of you such that you keep reading the damn book just to see how it would end. In fact, she creates tension so well that she's unable to match it with a proper climax, which is why all of the books were anti-climactic.