Fantastic Four vs Twilight

Originally posted by FrothByte
The novels were... let's just say an "interesting" read. It falls into the "it's almost so bad it's good" category.

For me it was so bad that it was horrible. I could hardly read some of the novels at times. I think at times, the second had the worst moments in it. I read it simply because I enjoyed the lore and some of the conflict...and also because I was the only person in my family that had no read it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The story or the writing itself isn't that bad, it's just that it's written from Bella's point of view and you get to see things through a whiny teenager girl's eyes: and at times that can prove so irritating I literally threw the book.

haha! I was tempted...but never did. My problem was the prose...how the words were written and put together. It was stifling/irritating. I was okay with the mushy stuff. After reading the novels I posted up my thoughts and quoted specific sections that illustrated my point about the irritating prose.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What saved the book for me was that Meyer has this admittedly great skill in creating tension. She writes it in such a way that she keeps the story dangling just in front of you such that you keep reading the damn book just to see how it would end. In fact, she creates tension so well that she's unable to match it with a proper climax, which is why all of the books were anti-climactic.

I thought the last novel was decent enough. It was the best out of the 4. I mean...we all could see that Alice would come from South America with the full-grown half-breed to prove their point. But it was still decent. I was really interested in Benjamin's character/story, Aro's (and the ruling vamps), and the Romanian's back story.

Someone else that can actually write should write the story of the Romanian's getting overthrown by the Volturi. I'm a decent writer but my prose is not much better than Meyer's: I could not do it justice. We need someone that can actually write. There are a 2-3 people on KMC, alone, that are good writers that could do that back story justice.

Edit - To be on topic, the twilight vampires win because I forgot that the last movie showed their speed a bit more accurately. They can run quite quickly in the final film (similar to the Flash on that live action show...if any of you are old enough to remember that show).

Originally posted by dadudemon
The vampires are literally "thousands of times stronger than humans", to quote.

There is also the tree push over feat from Edward and, according to physics (based on a white-paper published to help excavators calculate what to use to uproot trees), puts his strength, after I have adjusted for the mechanical advantage his placement on the tree provides, at somewhere between 250 and 350 tonnes-force. Unadjusted it was closer to 450 tonne-force. Factors, such as the tree being alive, in frozen-wet dirt (which greatly increases the force required to horizontally uproot the tree), the mass of the tree, and the swiftness with-which Edward pushed over the tree (meaning, it wasn't max exertion and he could put out more force).

That puts Edward, an average to below-average strength vampire, at a low 100+ Class.

Pushing over a tree is more impressive than all of the things The Thing did in the movies? Really?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pushing over a tree is more impressive than all of the things The Thing did in the movies? Really?

Fortunately or unfortunately: whatever you perspective.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Imagine more than that amount of force being applied over a much smaller area and then you will understand why Bella thinks the vamps handle cars like styrofoam (they can tear up a car or throw it as though it were made of styrofoam).

This was seen in the films?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pushing over a tree is more impressive than all of the things The Thing did in the movies? Really?

Bulldozer > The Thing

YouTube video

Originally posted by Robtard
Bulldozer > The Thing

YouTube video

Tree<<<<<<<<<than the tree Edward pushed over. Too bad: you tried.

Also, as stated on screen in the first film, vamps are "thousands of times stronger than humans."

Too bad, you tried.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tree<<<<<<<<<than the tree Edward pushed over. Too bad: you tried.

Also, as stated on screen in the first film, vamps are "thousands of times stronger than humans."

Too bad, you tried.

LoL, no.

So? The Thing is easily "thousands of times stronger than humans". We know this from his greater than knocking down a tree feats.

Tried and killed it.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, no.

So? The Thing is easily "thousands of times stronger than humans". We know this from his greater than knocking down a tree feats.

Tried and killed it.

Fail on all points. You just replied with a "no". Sorry, already been visited and used actual science and not a youtube video of a buldozer pushing over a skinny tree.

You'll have to do better than a "derp, no!" response.

Thing did not show himself to be thousands of times stronger than a human. He struggled with a Fire Turck tanker that weighed around 50 tons.

Pretend the average not modern male can lift 200 lbs over his head. 200*1000=200,000 lbs. That's 100 tons. So Thing is not even 1000 times stronger than a human much less thousands like Edward.

You tried...you really did. But you forgot that you can't do simple math.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Fail on all points. You just replied with a "no". Sorry, already been visited and used actual science and not a youtube video of a buldozer pushing over a skinny tree.

You'll have to do better than a "derp, no!" response.

Thing did not show himself to be thousands of times stronger than a human. He struggled with a Fire Turck tanker that weighed around 50 tons.

Pretend the average not modern male can lift 200 lbs over his head. 200*1000=200,000 lbs. That's 100 tons. So Thing is not even 1000 times stronger than a human much less thousands like Edward.

You tried...you really did. But you forgot that you can't do simple math.

"Actual science". LoL.

You'll have to do better than just throwing around random numbers and hoping someone believes.

LoL. See: Rolling a car into a small ball in a few seconds. See: Supporting the Eye of London.

Stop downplaying The Thing.

To be fair, it wasn't really "trying", as basic logic dictates that The Thing's best feats > pushing a tree over. Sorry, maybe next time you'll be correct.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Actual science". LoL.

Yeah...the white paper was quite clear and used...get this...real world measures to gather their data (a.k.a science (empirical methods)). Argue with it until you're blue in the face: it will not change the fact that you're spewing ignorance all over this thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop downplaying The Thing.

> Thinks downplaying is listing max-strain feats on a Firetruck Tanker which is nothing to scoff at.

lol. Try harder.

Originally posted by Robtard
To be fair, it wasn't really "trying", as basic logic dictates that The Thing's best feats > pushing a tree over. Sorry, maybe next time you'll be correct.

"Argue with it until you're blue in the face: it will not change the fact that you're spewing ignorance all over this thread."

Just to make it more clear:

Edward's tree pushing feat >>>> Thing's Firetruck Tanker pulling feat in terms of force required to accomplish each task.

If you knew anything about physics, you could try to argue that the pavement and metal of the truck had a friction coefficient greater than 1. Obviously, I know differently, but if you made that argument, I would concede only on principal that someone tried to use more than bullshit to back their point up.

Wouldn't the thing's best feat be holding up the London eye?

Ddm didn't see the second movie.

Originally posted by jaden101
Wouldn't the thing's best feat be holding up the London eye?

It does have a mass a bit over 1000 tonnes. I'd have to watch the feat to get an idea of what is going on. I only saw the crap movie once.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ddm didn't see the second movie.

See above.

Don't lie to me.

Someone find the clip, here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkelst_fantastic-four-rise-of-the-silver-surfer-06-watch32-com_people#.UXM_nrVOQpl

Wait; on this forum, do statements carry as much weight as actual feats?

No.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait; on this forum, do statements carry as much weight as actual feats?

As in anything, only if they are not boasting and come from credible sources.

For example, Edward Cullen stating that Carlisle is probably the most knowledgeable/educated person on the planet is not boasting or hyperbole because Carlisle does nothing but study all day when he is not working (Edward was making this statement when Bella was wondering if Edward was the most educated person on the planet due to how much reading Edward did. Edward said something toe the effect of Carlisle being more educated).

An example of exaggerated claims or boasting would be something like Dr. Doom saying he will "kill them all."

So you don't think that saying "thousands of times stronger than humans" could be seen as both vague and possibly hyperbolic?

Originally posted by dadudemon
As in anything, only if they are not boasting and come from credible sources.

For example, Edward Cullen stating that Carlisle is probably the most knowledgeable/educated person on the planet is not boasting or hyperbole because Carlisle does nothing but study all day when he is not working (Edward was making this statement when Bella was wondering if Edward was the most educated person on the planet due to how much reading Edward did. Edward said something toe the effect of Carlisle being more educated).

An example of exaggerated claims or boasting would be something like Dr. Doom saying he will "kill them all."