Thor VS Thanos

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
as for the "has to have been used three times" rule, i answer with this

Claiming its a one shot deal and cant be duplicated is rubbish. as the reason for it not being used is that its forbidden. With all due respect to the mods, i'll go by what the comics say as shown, given the right circumstances, Thor would use it.

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The truth hath been spoken!

Hmmm...he can draw out the GODLY LIFE FORCE of one being (Loki), but simply CANT do it to Thanos (according to Thanos loyalist) because its Thanos....

LOL! Thanos gets one shotted!

💃

I think i hate all of you.

me too?

Originally posted by amnesia
I think i hate all of you.

I see...I understand...its all good; the truth f**king hurts...doesnt it?

Cheers!

💃

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I see...I understand...its all good; the truth f**king hurts...doesnt it?

Cheers!

💃

Not really, if Thor>>Thanos i would be happy, because he is my favorite character. 🙁

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo

3 Things to consider with the lifeforce drain argument:

1) There is really no indication of this ability being able to penetrate shields and defenses. The Loki that was drained was weakened and practically beaten down by Thor before he was vulnerable enough to be killed by the spell. Oh, btw. Loki didn't really permanently die from the attack.

2) The spell seems to take time to cast. It's a ritual after all. Again, there was no indication of it being able to affect Thanos before he can react to it. And Thanos isn't going to just stand there and let Thor drain him.

3) And my favorite (as I know that this will spark the most controversy): The EXACT wordings is: "The forbidden ritual of drawing out Loki's GODLY lifeforce". Meaning that the ritual is forbidden because it draws out a GOD's lifeforce.

Thanos is an Eternal, not a god. 🙂

Thanos is a demi-god (thus not a full god)...so he gets it worse than Loki did. 💃

There is no evidence that it cant penetrate Thanos's shields; the attack is spiritual in nature and Thanos has never demostrated (via shields or otherwise) any sort of defense against spiritual attack whatsoever...

As for your asertion that Loki had to be weakened before he was vulnerable to this attack, where are you getting that info from? I'd like to see a scan of it as I have never seen anything to indicate what you say is true...and that certainly wasnt stated in the Thor comic where he used this ability.

Just admit the truth...you made that shit up. Period. It has never been stated ANYWHERE that Thor has to weaken his opponents before he can use this ability on them. So again...you made that up!

Btw, had you read the actual story line, you would know that the attack DID destroy Loki, but in a later comic, a Loki from the past got the opportunity to see into the future...so he was able to prepare himself for the spiritual attack before it happened.

And just FYI, Loki avoids destruction the 2nd time around by transfering his soul into a different body the instant before Soul Suck lands...thats how he managed to survive this attack ultimately; his soul vacated his body before the attack had a chance to kill him.

Also, again, read the comic...Thor didnt actually have to perform a ritual to use this ability...he summoned up the power, pointed Mjolnir at Loki, and fired...seconds later...dead Loki.

And thats exactly what Thor can do to Thanos...

Cheers! 🙂

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos is a demi-god (thus not a full god)...so he gets it worse than Loki did. 💃

Thanos is an Eternal. They are not gods of any kind by the Marvel definition of the word. Do you even read comics?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no evidence that it cant penetrate Thanos's shields; the attack is spiritual in nature and Thanos has never demostrated (via shields or otherwise) any sort of defense against spiritual attack whatsoever...

Asking me to prove a negative. Niiiice. Poor debating style here buddy. You gotta first prove that it can penetrate shields of any kind. Stop making stuff up, you don't know what nature the ritual is and all you got is an ambiguous scan.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As for your asertion that Loki had to be weakened before he was vulnerable to this attack, where are you getting that info from? I'd like to see a scan of it as I have never seen anything to indicate what you say is true...and that certainly wasnt stated in the Thor comic where he used this ability.

Nice. So all you have is the scan where it happened? You didn't read the issue where this happened did you? Here, this should help you out:

Thor beat down Loki, as Loki was skulking away, he decided to use his soul suck attack. Loki neither attacked nor raised any shields nor protected himself in any way.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-18.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-19.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-20.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-21.jpg

They've also been fighting several pages before that.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just admit the truth...you made that shit up. Period. It has never been stated ANYWHERE that Thor has to weaken his opponents before he can use this ability on them. So again...you made that up!

The one time it happened, it worked on a beaten opponent who wasn't fighting back. You have to prove that it can work outside that scenario. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T! LOL.

Your emoticon skills are great, but your logic is weak!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Btw, had you read the actual story line, you would know that the attack DID destroy Loki, but in a later comic, a Loki from the past got the opportunity to see into the future...so he was able to prepare himself for the spiritual attack before it happened.

W/c means that with prep, one can avoid getting killed by the attack. Proves my point that the attack is avoidable.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And just FYI, Loki avoids destruction the 2nd time around by transfering his soul into a different body the instant before Soul Suck lands...thats how he managed to survive this attack ultimately; his soul vacated his body before the attack had a chance to kill him.

Yes, I have the issue, too. He transferred his essence to Odin. Thus, making the soul suck avoidable.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Also, again, read the comic...Thor didnt actually have to perform a ritual to use this ability...he summoned up the power, pointed Mjolnir at Loki, and fired...seconds later...dead Loki.

I HAVE the comic. By definition, rituals are complicated processes involving several actions. Heck, both of them were able to monologue long before the attack landed. Well, you may want to exaggerate the feat but it looks more like it took quite a few seconds before it even landed.

And to someone who can react to FTL attacks, seconds will seem like forever.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And thats exactly what Thor can do to Thanos...

Cheers! 🙂

Not gonna happen, sport.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Thanos is an Eternal. They are not gods of any kind by the Marvel definition of the word. Do you even read comics?

Asking me to prove a negative. Niiiice. Poor debating style here buddy. You gotta first prove that it can penetrate shields of any kind. Stop making stuff up, you don't know what nature the ritual is and all you got is an ambiguous scan.

Nice. So all you have is the scan where it happened? You didn't read the issue where this happened did you? Here, this should help you out:

Thor beat down Loki, as Loki was skulking away, he decided to use his soul suck attack. Loki neither attacked nor raised any shields nor protected himself in any way.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-18.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-19.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-20.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-21.jpg

They've also been fighting several pages before that.

The one time it happened, it worked on a beaten opponent who wasn't fighting back. You have to prove that it can work outside that scenario. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T! LOL.

Your emoticon skills are great, but your logic is weak!

W/c means that with prep, one can avoid getting killed by the attack. Proves my point that the attack is avoidable.

Yes, I have the issue, too. He transferred his essence to Odin. Thus, making the soul suck avoidable.

I HAVE the comic. By definition, rituals are complicated processes involving several actions. Heck, both of them were able to monologue long before the attack landed. Well, you may want to exaggerate the feat but it looks more like it took quite a few seconds before it even landed.

And to someone who can react to FTL attacks, seconds will seem like forever.

Not gonna happen, sport.

an attack that can make the fabric of infinity itself shudder is definitely going to penetrate thano's shields.

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You can claim it managed to survive an attack from galactus and some celestial but galactus and the celestials <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< infinity

so yeah, it will penetrate his shields and kill him.

as for the godly essence thing, if it can do that to a godly soul, think what it will do to a non godly soul. probably rip it to shreds.

loki can prep against a soul attack as he has the kind of power to do so, Thanos on the otherhand is mostly science based prep. there goes your argument.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Great post you utterly owned that fool.,

Just want to point out that the Thanos camp is just as stupid.

Originally posted by amnesia
Just want to point out that the Thanos camp is just as stupid.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
1. just because you claim it so doesnt make it so. again you have zero evidence to back up you claim
2. on panel feats dont lie, again, all you have are arguments without evidence and pure out right fabrications. like i said, he was putting a show, as admitted personally by Thanos, but where does it say he was acting when he was getting hurt? what? none? OMG! pure fabrication on your part.

as for being a laughing stock, i at least present arguments and evidence and thus have proof, what do you have? nothing which just shows how bad a debater you are.

So as usual you brought NOTHING to the table. In order for the soul suck to even merit consideration you need to prove the following...

1. That it has been used more than 3 times (you fail)
2. Show that it's superior to Warlock's Soul suck and thus would work on Thanos, where Warlock didn't even consider doing it on Thanos. Warlock has fought Thanos numerous times and knows him better than ANYONE. He has also used the soul suck more than Thor and that is his fall back schtick he brings to the table. He NEVER tried it on Thanos because he didn't think it would work. He is the best in the business at the soul suck and really anything soul related. He is much more of an expert on Soul Sucking and Thanos than you? He didn't think it would work. (you fail this one)
3. Show Thor using it on somebody on Thanos level through shields (you fail at this one yet again)

You can't prove it would even come close to working on Thanos. Period

What's worse is you using M. Thor knocking down Thanos WITH the IG. The same Thanos that wtf pwned abstracts with ease. He can take what they can dish out, yet you believe Thor's hammer can down him? You were absent the day God gave out logic and common sense weren't you?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
an attack that can make the fabric of infinity itself shudder is definitely going to penetrate thano's shields.

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You can claim it managed to survive an attack from galactus and some celestial but galactus and the celestials <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< infinity

so yeah, it will penetrate his shields and kill him.

You're usually a pretty sensible debater. Is this really your argument? No offense, it's terrible. 🙁

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
as for the godly essence thing, if it can do that to a godly soul, think what it will do to a non godly soul. probably rip it to shreds.

We really don't know. It hasn't really been shown to do anything other than affect Gods as it is an "ancient and forbidden process of drawing out one's godly life force".

You can speculate all you want, tho. Doesn't make it fact.

Actually, it would actually make tons of sense for Mjolnir to affects gods only. It seems to specifically draw on Thor's life force when he performs a godblast. Prolly a reason why BRB has never been able to perform a godblast himself.

IIRC, it has been mentioned (as when Doom experimented with Asgardians) that an Asgardian's lifeforce is simply a small fragment of the Odinforce. And since Mjolnir was made by the energy of the Odinforce, it would make sense that it can affect and draw into it portions of the Odinforce as well due to its powerset.

But that's also just speculation. Truth is, no one knows if it can affect beings that aren't Gods. There's just no proof out there that would support either assumptions. The only truth that exist is that even the narrative makes special mention of the fact that it is a process that affects "godly" lifeforces.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
loki can prep against a soul attack as he has the kind of power to do so, Thanos on the otherhand is mostly science based prep. there goes your argument.

Thanos managed to increase his personal power thru the use of both science and magic. And his prep is wayyy better than Loki's. So, yes, he can prep for things like this.

But that wasn't really my point. Much of the ppl who argue for the soul suck to work seem to like pointing out that it is completely unavoidable and would thus work on Thanos. Fact is, it is quite avoidable.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Thanos is an Eternal. They are not gods of any kind by the Marvel definition of the word. Do you even read comics?

Asking me to prove a negative. Niiiice. Poor debating style here buddy. You gotta first prove that it can penetrate shields of any kind. Stop making stuff up, you don't know what nature the ritual is and all you got is an ambiguous scan.

Nice. So all you have is the scan where it happened? You didn't read the issue where this happened did you? Here, this should help you out:

Thor beat down Loki, as Loki was skulking away, he decided to use his soul suck attack. Loki neither attacked nor raised any shields nor protected himself in any way.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-18.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-19.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-20.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Thor_432-21.jpg

They've also been fighting several pages before that.

The one time it happened, it worked on a beaten opponent who wasn't fighting back. You have to prove that it can work outside that scenario. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T! LOL.

Your emoticon skills are great, but your logic is weak!

W/c means that with prep, one can avoid getting killed by the attack. Proves my point that the attack is avoidable.

Yes, I have the issue, too. He transferred his essence to Odin. Thus, making the soul suck avoidable.

I HAVE the comic. By definition, rituals are complicated processes involving several actions. Heck, both of them were able to monologue long before the attack landed. Well, you may want to exaggerate the feat but it looks more like it took quite a few seconds before it even landed.

And to someone who can react to FTL attacks, seconds will seem like forever.

Not gonna happen, sport.

Nice post, i dont think this attack would work on thanos, thor losses this fight cannot believe this post is as long as it is.

Proof that the Thor wanking is at an all time high around here, nothing more

Originally posted by mykke
Nice post, i dont think this attack would work on thanos, thor losses this fight cannot believe this post is as long as it is.

Proof that the Thor wanking is at an all time high around here, nothing more

I personally don't think it's all wanking (tho a good majority of it is).

I think SOME ppl just enjoy debating. Hehe. I'm looking at you gogo...!

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I personally don't think it's all wanking (tho a good majority of it is).

I think SOME ppl just enjoy debating. Hehe. I'm looking at you gogo...!

Probably, but he's not very good at it in this thread

Originally posted by Nihilist
Who cares what you think chump.

I care a lot about my own opinion.

comic books are srs business.

Originally posted by amnesia
I care a lot about my own opinion.

comic books are srs business.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
as for the "has to have been used three times" rule, i answer with this

Claiming its a one shot deal and cant be duplicated is rubbish. as the reason for it not being used is that its forbidden. With all due respect to the mods, i'll go by what the comics say as shown, given the right circumstances, Thor would use it.

He hasn't used it three times and thats that.The only time there would be an exception is if the character doesn't have many feats at all.Thor has more then enough.