Twilight Vampires run the Star Wars gauntlet

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and did I mention that the Jedi Temple was a lightside Force nexus?

Also, there's a possibility that the Jedi might even be able to withstand a vampire's attack. Anakin fell hundreds, maybe even thousands of feat and landed without any injuries. Vader absorbed blaster bolts with his hands. Many Jedi withstood Force lightning.

Also, a lot of you Twilight supporters are DENYING the Jedi side evidence (the EU), despite it being CANON. This is clearly unfair, although for some reason it is part of the rules (apparently), so maybe it isn't your fault. However, if we were allowed to use evidence that is CANON according to George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, then it would be even more obvious that the Jedi Order would pwn the vampires. Mace Windu and Sidious were moving faster than the eye could see in the ROTS novel.

No the temple doesn't have that.

Anakin did not.

Armor.

Force lightening /= actual lightening, if that's what you're trying to imply.

EU doesn't count, get this, in the MOVIE vesus forum. dur

And, no, if EU were allowed then so would the books and the movies would all be thrown out becuase they grossly misrepresent the vampires speed. Bella describes it as more of a blur to seemingly instance movement. The movies don't capture that very well, except for the Edward and Felix fight, which is not even canon.

In other words, FAIIL!

It'd be like a bunch of slugs vesus the Flash...but the Flash with tons of super powers.

Originally posted by dadudemon
ZOMG!?!?!?! They were on the Death Star? dur

W.T.F

No. You should do some research.

You can't walk into a thread, not know anything about the other vamps, and then want me to explain things that are obvious.

Why are you so resistant to telling me?

You didn't prove anything except that you can type.

What's with your insults?

This horrible "point" has been pwned by Placidity already.

He claimed that the vampires change directions in half a second and go around where the Jedi wanted to stab the vampire, which is BS since the Jedi could hold the vampire in place with the Force.

Right, and moving out the arm, concentrating, and using the force takes time as well...far long than it does for a twivamp to just run, I dunno, 100 yards in far less than a second? dur

See? This is what I'm talking about; you don't realize how powerful the Jedi are. The Jedi don't have to raise their arms to do a Force push, they do that to better concentrate their power, but they are still capable of holding something in place with the Force without moving their arms.

The vampire moves out of the way of their force projection BEFORE they can use the power becaue the vampire's perceiption of time is far superior to that of a Force user!!!!

"move out of the way"? You can't dodge the Force. And most vampires don't have pre cog.

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Hardly anyone is insutling me except for you.

FAIL!

And me being annoyed by your fanboyism is an insult?

What's wrong with you?

Yup. Pretty much.

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1. Give a rough number as to how fast the vampires move and prove it.
2. Prove that the vampires don't have to accelerate in order to reach that speed.
3. Prove that the vampires' reaction time is even comparable to the Jedi, let along superior.
4. Prove that the vampires can maneuver left, right and other directions AND attack that fast at that speed as well.
5. Prove that they can do this to 10,000 Jedi without the Jedi being able to react.

You're basically saying that because the vampires can RUN fast, they can attack, react and move more than forwards in that direction as well the INSTANT the battle starts.

You didn't even address my point.

You just ignored it, just like RJ does, and responded with the same BS.

"Yeah, I get it.

Somehow, the Jedi is going to react to an opponent that makes Palpatine look very slow...the same Sith Lord that slew several highly skilled Jedi in mere seconds. Right"

And a vid was alredy posted showing instant acceleration.

PWNED!

This horrible "point" has been pwned by Placidity already.

Nah, you'e the one claiming that a bunch of meatbags would stand up to a bunch of creatures that make Palpatine look like he's standing stiill.

You said I didn't provide proof when the proof was already provided.

I then called you "NO PROOF! NARF!" comment for what it was, and now it's a strawman because I refuse to argue in an idiot circle?

And it wouldn't even be strawman, it's ad hominem.

Right, so how is a Jedi going to kill a creature that cannot be choked out or hit with a saber because it's too fast?

Again, how can a person TRY to kill a vampire with a saber when it isn't long enough to get anywhere near the vampire?

This, of course, lamely assumes that a vampire could even be caught in a force hold, to begin with?

Why am I even entertaining fail ideas?

See above in my requests for you to actually prove that the vampires have a COMBAT speed high enough to take down 10,000 Jedi before they can react the instant the battle starts.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No the temple doesn't have that.

It isn't mentioned in the movies, but it is in the books, which are apparently not allowed in this forum despite being canon.

Anakin did not.

Yes he did in AOTC.

Armor.

Then explain to me why you thought in that other thread that the vampires could take down Vader if Vader's armor is that durable.

Force lightening /= actual lightening, if that's what you're trying to imply.

Prove that it's any less lethal.

EU doesn't count, get this, in the MOVIE vesus forum. dur

The EU is part of the SAME UNIVERSE as the books, and many of the events from the EU directly tie into the movies.

And, no, if EU were allowed then so would the books and the movies would all be thrown out becuase they grossly misrepresent the vampires speed. Bella describes it as more of a blur to seemingly instance movement. The movies don't capture that very well, except for the Edward and Felix fight, which is not even canon.

In other words, FAIIL!

It'd be like a bunch of slugs vesus the Flash...but the Flash with tons of super powers.

Whoa, you've admitted that, according to the movies (which apparently the only sources we're allowed to work with in this forum), the vampires CAN'T fight as fast as they can apparently run, therefore disproving your entire argument.

You conceded! I win!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, my allies and I win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why hasn't this been closed? 😕

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Not even close.

*reads your post again*

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Do you really believe the sh*t you post?

Sidious fooled an entire galaxy, including the Jedi Order, for years. He had a master plan, foresaw the outcome even as he began it.

Yeah, I'd say that ***** slaps any of Alice's foresight feats. Plus Sidious's foresight is not hindered by a bunch overgrown stray cats.

It doesn't stand. It fails, because of what I said.

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

Wait, cuz twivamps are fast!!!!!!

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I think you're just joking, now, as there's no way you could be serious.

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Unrelated to this thread, but just wanted to reply to RJ's claim that Yoda would slaughter the Flash in the other thread, when RJ claims Precog would beat Superspeed.

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Watch particularly at 1:00. Yoda would be one of those statues to the Flash. Tell me precog beats super speed again please?

This is also only Smallville Flash, the real one is only about a million times faster.

Yoda slaughter Flash?

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Originally posted by Darth Martin
Yoda slaughter Flash?

facepalm

His words regarding Flash vs a Jedi with high level precog were:

Yoda would rape him

Speed > Precog

Case Closed.

RJ's been exposed.

What's the point of bringing up the Flash? The flash is hundreds of times faster than a twivamp and is also able to go faster than the speed of light... not to mention he can speed steal.

Yoda beating Flash.......

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Originally posted by ares834
What's the point of bringing up the Flash? The flash is hundreds of times faster than a twivamp and is also able to go faster than the speed of light... not to mention he can speed steal.

Well, I was trying to point out that substantial superspeed beats precog.

RJ said it didn't, even the slowest Jedi (or even fat Hutts with precog) would beat superspeed given precog. Of course this is bullshit. So I used Flash vs a Jedi with high level precog as an example to shut him up, but knowing RJ he is willing to argue(troll) anything.

But the example is still relevant since firstly it shows:

1. Speed > Precog

2. Flash's speed as you can see is WAAAY overkill, someone with superspeed could be much slower than the Flash, but still rip someone's head off before they could react. I also used the example without mentioning speed-steal, since I knew RJ wouldn't know about that anyway (and if he did, he is even more retarded since he said Yoda would win).

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Originally posted by Placidity
Well, I was trying to point out that substantial superspeed beats precog.

RJ said it didn't, even the slowest Jedi (or even fat Hutts with precog) would beat superspeed given precog. Of course this is bullshit. So I used Flash vs a Jedi with high level precog as an example to shut him up, but knowing RJ he is willing to argue(troll) anything.

But the example is still relevant since firstly it shows:

1. Speed > Precog

2. Flash's speed as you can see is WAAAY overkill, someone with superspeed could be much slower than the Flash, but still rip someone's head off before they could react. I also used the example without mentioning speed-steal, since I knew RJ wouldn't know about that anyway (and if he did, he is even more retarded since he said Yoda would win).

You dumbass, I was being sarcastic. You were comparing Twivamps speed to the Flash, what was I supposed to say? 🙄 It's like comparing the fighting prowess of Little Stuart to Riddick.

Bet you feel stupid now, yeah?

Originally posted by Placidity
His words regarding Flash vs a Jedi with high level precog were:

Speed > Precog

Case Closed.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You dumbass, I was being sarcastic. You were comparing Twivamps speed to the Flash, what was I supposed to say? 🙄 It's like comparing the fighting prowess of Little Stuart to Riddick.

Bet you feel stupid now, yeah?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Flash's speed? Of course. Twivamps speed? Not a chance in hell.

You know how pathetic you sound here right?

Don't worry, everyone else knows, so trying to turn it around isn't going to help.

I was trying to establish the fact that Substantial Super Speed would beat Precog. You kept denying this, by sayin it doesn't matter how slow the Jedi was or how fast the Vampire is. You kept denying Super Speed beats Precog, NOT Twilight Speed beats Precog, but the concept of Speed>Precog I was trying to establish.

Not only were you retarded, and proved to be retarded, now you are being dishonest in covering your tracks.

This is a new low for you, but I can't say it is unexpected.

The point about precognition is that it's supposed to negate speed by allowing the user to act before the faster force does not after. If I know that you're going to pull the trigger of your gun five seconds before you do it I can take precautions to protect myself, rendering the speed of the bullet irrelevant. This falls in tandem with the fact that blaster bolts move at at least bullet speed, but Jedi can deflect them. Jedi don't move faster then blaster bolts, they move their lightsaber into position to deflect the bolt before it's even fired, like Batman dodging someone's aim not the bullet itself (which is still really ****ing stupid if you think about it.) So theoretically the speed of the opposing force shouldn't matter.

Theoretically. Jedi get knocked the **** out all the time, and if precognition actually allowed Jedi to see everything a moment before it happens, every duel should end in a stalemate. So, admittedly I'm not really bringing anything new to the table.

However it should be noted that you really can't use any instances from the Prequel trilogy to emphasize the imperfection of precognition, including Order 66, because Palpatine had severely weakened the general precognitive abilities of all the Jedi with some dark force cloud shit, from TPM onward. In Mace's words from one of the movies: "The Jedi's ability to foresee the future has greatly diminished." Or something to that affect.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The point about precognition is that it's supposed to negate speed by allowing the user to act before the faster force does not after. If I know that you're going to pull the trigger of your gun five seconds before you do it I can take precautions to protect myself, rendering the speed of the bullet irrelevant. This falls in tandem with the fact that blaster bolts move at at least bullet speed, but Jedi can deflect them. Jedi don't move faster then blaster bolts, they move their lightsaber into position to deflect the bolt before it's even fired, like Batman dodging someone's aim not the bullet itself (which is still really ****ing stupid if you think about it.) So theoretically the speed of the opposing force shouldn't matter.

Theoretically. Jedi get knocked the **** out all the time, and if precognition actually allowed Jedi to see everything a moment before it happens, every duel should end in a stalemate. So, admittedly I'm not really bringing anything new to the table.

However it should be noted that you really can't use any instances from the Prequel trilogy to emphasize the imperfection of precognition, including Order 66, because Palpatine had severely weakened the general precognitive abilities of all the Jedi with some dark force cloud shit, from TPM onward. In Mace's words from one of the movies: "The Jedi's ability to foresee the future has greatly diminished." Or something to that affect.

If you want to know why Speed>Precog, read my posts in the other closed thread.

Your blaster bolt analogy fails when used in the context of speedsters because speedsters can see the Jedi's every move and change direction/decisions accordingly. A blaster bolt cannot change its path once it is fired, so you only need to leave your saber at where you saw the bolt will be. Not so with a sentient speedster.

Again, watch the video of the Flash I posted a few posts back. Precog won't help anyone against him (unless they had comparable speed as well).

Speed > Precog

Did you... read my whole post?
Also, your post somewhat contradicts itself. When my eyes aren't bleeding I'll point it out lol.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Did you... read my whole post?
Also, your post somewhat contradicts itself. When my eyes aren't bleeding I'll point it out lol.

Yes I did, which particular part did you want me to address here?