Twilight Vampires run the Star Wars gauntlet

Originally posted by Placidity
You know how pathetic you sound here right?

Don't worry, everyone else knows, so trying to turn it around isn't going to help.

I was trying to establish the fact that Substantial Super Speed would beat Precog. You kept denying this, by sayin it doesn't matter how slow the Jedi was or how fast the Vampire is. You kept denying Super Speed beats Precog, NOT Twilight Speed beats Precog, but the concept of Speed>Precog I was trying to establish.

Not only were you retarded, and proved to be retarded, now you are being dishonest in covering your tracks.

This is a new low for you, but I can't say it is unexpected.

crylaugh Think about the statement you made regarding Flash and Yoda. Think about Flash's speed. Now, do you really think that anyone, at any station in life, would say Yoda rapes Flash and MEAN it? I know you have some kind of Alpha Centauriesque boner for me, but really, think about it. Comparing Flash's sped to a Twivamp's speed is like comparing a Ferrari to a pedalcar.

It was idiotic for you to compare the two, so I came back at you with an equal amount of idiocy. Not my fault it went right over your pretty little head.

And no, Twivamp speed does not beat this:

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

Originally posted by Placidity
Again, watch the video of the Flash I posted a few posts back. Precog won't help anyone against him (unless they had comparable speed as well).

Speed > Precog

It's like saying Cyclops (the X-men) would beat Iron-Man because Darkseid's "laser vision" would destroy Iron man... Ergo Optic Blast>Tech. But it's simply not the case.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh Think about the statement you made regarding Flash and Yoda. Think about Flash's speed. Now, do you really think that anyone, at any station in life, would say Yoda rapes Flash and MEAN it? I know you have some kind of Alpha Centauriesque boner for me, but really, think about it. Comparing Flash's sped to a Twivamp's speed is like comparing a Ferrari to a pedalcar.

It was idiotic for you to compare the two, so I came back at you with an equal amount of idiocy. Not my fault it went right over your pretty little head.
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You fail.

I never compared Twilight's Vamp speed to the Flash. This is a nice strawman you are trying to set up after your humiliating fail.

I was establishing the concept of Speed beating Precog, not Vamp speed in particular. You claimed it didn't matter how slow the Jedi was or how fast the Vamp was.

Face the facts.

Speed > Precog

I used Flash to prove this point. You responded with your usual bullshit of Yoda beating him. Of course now you'd pretend you were being sarcastic. That ain't going to work.

Originally posted by ares834
Except your comparison fails on the simple fact that Flash is FAR faster than a Twivamp...

It's like saying Cyclops (the X-men) would beat Iron-Man because Darkseid's "laser vision" would destroy Iron man... Ergo Optic Blast>Tech. But it's simply not the case.

Um No.

The concept I was establishing was that Substantial superspeed beats Precog. After me saying this so many times, you are still saying the same thing that've I've already responded to. Do you even read before you make posts like these?

Nowhere did I compare Flash speed to Vamp speed. I used it to point out that speed beats precog since RJ the retard kept maintaing that Precog will ALWAYS beat superspeed (doesn't matter how slow the Jedi is - his words). Of course he'll deny this and make up some crap now to distract everyone from the truth, but you only need to look at the other thread to know this guy is dishonest and full of shit.

Originally posted by Placidity
You fail.

I never compared Twilight's Vamp speed to the Flash. This is a nice strawman you are trying to set up after your humiliating fail.

I was establishing the concept of Speed beating Precog, not Vamp speed in particular. You claimed it didn't matter how slow the Jedi was or how fast the Vamp was.

Face the facts.

Speed > Precog

I used Flash to prove this point. You responded with your usual bullshit of Yoda beating him. Of course now you'd pretend you were being sarcastic. That ain't going to work.

We were discussing whether or not Jedi precog trumps Twivamp speed.

You then brought up Flash against Yoda.

THAT'S comparing Twivamp speed to the Flash.

The "Fatass Hutt" remark was more sarcasm, DDM got it and lol'd.

I just did the same thing here, saying that Sidious can affect Alice's foresight with the dark side. It was a sarcastic statement.

Do I need to draw a picture for you? Break out the flash cards? Pop up book, maybe? You made an idiotic comparison, so I returned the favor with sarcasm.

And again, this;

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

Counter? Thought not. Buh bye.

^ Nope

Nothing you say matters anymore. People will just need to read your posts from the other thread to know that you are lying.

It's sad you had to resort to this.

Edit:

Speed......What difference does it make if the Twivamps are faster? The Jedi will know where the Twivamps will be before they get there. Wait, haven't I said that? Even the fattest, most out of shape Jedi, IF their precog was working, would be able to determine where and when he would be attacked. It's simple: Sense danger, extend lightsaber, hold on while it cuts. If the Jedi precog is working as it should, this isn't even open for debate. hell, the Jedi could be a buncha fatass Hutts and still win.

Pretty much what you've been saying all along - you did not debate whether the Vamps were FAST ENOUGH. You contended, and have done continually claimed that Precog would beat superspeed.

Don't try the sarcasm angle. I've posted it for everyone to see, so it won't really work.

Again with the vampires speed......Doesn't matter The Jedi will know where the vampires will be at any given second.

Speed does not trump Jedi battle precog. How do you think Obi Wan blocked those blaster bolts?

Jedi Precog. Say it with me...Preeeeeeeeee.....Coooooooooooooog......Atta boy!!!

Regarding Flash vs High level precog Jedi:

Yoda would rape him.

Its hilarious how you try to pass this off as sarcasm. It's also sad.

Oh my, so you speak for everyone now? haermm Well I guess you got it all figured out, AC!!!!

Here, I'll go through what you quoted, bit by bit, and explain. Don't worry, I'll go slow:

Speed......What difference does it make if the Twivamps are faster? The Jedi will know where the Twivamps will be before they get there. Wait, haven't I said that? It's simple: Sense danger, extend lightsaber, hold on while it cuts.

^^^^ This stands. The only argument brought forth is "Twivamps are fast!!!!" It's tired and I have buried it many times over. You don't like it, so you ignore it.

Again with the vampires speed......Doesn't matter The Jedi will know where the vampires will be at any given second.

^^^^ Fact, deal with it.

Speed does not trump Jedi battle precog. How do you think Obi Wan blocked those blaster bolts?

^^^^^ THIS has yet to be countered. Obi Wan was ONE FOOT AWAY from TWO SUPER BATTLE DROIDS, who were firing FULL AUTO blaster fire on him. he blocked all their bolts, trotted past, and cut them to ribbons.

Reaction time, dude. Counter this or STFU.

Jedi Precog. Say it with me...Preeeeeeeeee.....Coooooooooooooog......Atta boy!!!

Well, can you say it?

Yoda would rape him.

This was sarcasm. Don't be an idiot. Accept it or not, I just gave two other identical examples of me doing the same thing.

Besides, Palpy/Sidious used the dark side to cloud the foresight of the entire Jedi order, you think one Twitwink won't fall victim to his methods too? If Alice can't see shit, she can't predict shit.

More sarcasm. Why would Alice be affected by the dark side?

Even the fattest, most out of shape Jedi, IF their precog was working, would be able to determine where and when he would be attacked. hell, the Jedi could be a buncha fatass Hutts and still win

Sarcasm. DDM got it and lol'd.

And just so you know, these still have not been countered.

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

Because you can't.

See, your biggest problem is that you like to nitpick over the smallest of things, AC. You need someone to talk down to make yourself look intelligent, the Alpha E male. You have this incredible need to want us to think "Wow, he's like smart and stuff."

I don't have that. I feel sorry for you, man. 🙁

While I don't agree with anything RJ said and I feel that all of his points have been thoroughly pwned, I do agree that RJ was being a smart*ss about the Yoda beating the Flash.

And, the next time we see a Twivamp moving as slow and as linear/simple as a battle droid, let us know. Until then, Obi Wan slicing up the battle droid is easily done by a human with lightsaber training...because, you know, the battle droid is so predictable. Don't believe it? Red Steel 2, a video game, has better reaction feats than the Obi Wan scene. 😐

Why do I use that as an example? All the weight is in the hilt, same as a lightsaber. (bwahahahahaha.) You use your sword in the game to fight people, too...some with guns. mwahahahahaha.....so pwned. so hardcore pwned.

😆 😆 😆 😆

PWNED!

Thread is DONE.

hahahahahahaha

so pwned.

You know you love it, RJ.

Originally posted by dadudemon
While I don't agree with anything RJ said and I feel that all of his points have been thoroughly pwned, I do agree that RJ was being a smart*ss about the Yoda beating the Flash.

And, the next time we see a Twivamp moving as slow and as linear/simple as a battle droid, let us know. Until then, Obi Wan slicing up the battle droid is easily done by a human with lightsaber training...because, you know, the battle droid is so predictable. Don't believeit? Red Steel 2, a video game, has better reaction feats than the Obi Wan scene. 😐

😆 😆 😆 😆

PWNED!

facepalm It's not how fast the droids were moving, it's that Obi Wan was able to block each blaster bolt, one after the other, all of them, from one foot away.

So yeah, he has the reaction time needed to deal with the Twivamps. High end feats, yeah?

YouTube video

Oh my.......

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
facepalm It's not how fast the droids were moving, it's that Obi Wan was able to block each blaster bolt, one after the other, all of them, from one foot away.

So yeah, he has the reaction time needed to deal with the Twivamps. High end feats, yeah?

Do you see why I don't like discussing this anymore?

You just repeated the same thing that you already stated, just with slightly different wording.

You've brought nothing new to the conversation and it doesn't even begin to counter what I just said.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you see why I don't like discussing this anymore?

You just repeated the same thing that you already stated, just with slightly different wording.

You've brought nothing new to the conversation and it doesn't even begin to counter what I just said.

No, it's you who is completely dismissing a feat that proves a Jedi has the reaction time to deal with the Twivamps.

You make a claim or "counter" something I say, I bury it, you go into "nanner nanner nanner wheeeee!!!!!! I'm not discussing this anymore!!" mode. I, of all people here, know how you operate.

It's your way of dealing with defeat.

And this:

A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

Has not even been touched. It is indisputable and there is no counter for it.

Do you hear that? Listen close.........

YouTube video

The fat lady is singing your tune, babe.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

You really think a Force push is going to do jack to the Twivamps? I doubt it.

edit: Also, stop being such a ****tard douche in debates. Its annoying to read.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you see why I don't like discussing this anymore?

You just repeated the same thing that you already stated, just with slightly different wording.

You've brought nothing new to the conversation and it doesn't even begin to counter what I just said.

You still haven't responded to my rebuttal.

The idea that a few Twilight vampires can defeat the Jedi Order is absurd, and you actually accidentally conceded.

You stated that in the Twilight books the vampires move in a blur, but that in the movies (which is all that you guys allow) THEY DON'T. Therefore, they DON'T move in a blur and therefore move slow enough that they don't blur. Therefore, the Jedi would be able to see them, and would be able to Force TK them.

All this BS about the Twilight vampires moving at thousands of miles an hour do NOT take into account the difference between running speed and combat speed.

Just because a vampire can run super fast doesn't mean that they have the reaction time and mobility to attack and maneuver that fast in a fight. They may also need to accelerate.

Also, Jedi are pretty durable. Anakin in AOTC fell hundreds or maybe even thousands of feet and was not injured.

In order to somehow win, the vampires would have to kill all of the Jedi BEFORE THE JEDI CAN REACT, which is IMPOSSIBLE. Even if they did have a combat speed of several thousand miles an hour like some Twilight fanboys/fangirls claim, they still wouldn't be fast enough to do that.

HWKN, there is no EU here, only movie feats.

As such the vampires, which are only able to be killed by some wierd-ass ritual, would own the jedi because of sheer invincibility. I doubt blaster-fire would do anything to them, and they'd just meld back together after lightsaber slashes.

The guy broke granite tile with his head and barely flinched.

Also, this is another spite thread you've made just to argue one side.

One Free Man, if this is a spite thread then why do so many posters argue for Twilight clearing (include a STAR DESTROYER)?

Oh, and gauntlets are often made so that the chances of clearing it are slim. I can list you a LOT of examples from the SW vs forum. I even think that you made one where the last one was impossible.

See? One Free Man, you hate me so much (even though I haven't tried to offend you and haven't hurt you at all) that you criticize me for no reason.

To summarize:

People don't agree that it's a spite thread. Hence why many are arguing for Twilight.
It's common for the last round or two of a gauntlet to be a spite. Upon request I can show you examples.

Your post addresses none of my points.

Why don't you two just put each other on ignore?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, it's you who is completely dismissing a feat that proves a Jedi has the reaction time to deal with the Twivamps.

You make a claim or "counter" something I say, I bury it, you go into "nanner nanner nanner wheeeee!!!!!! I'm not discussing this anymore!!" mode. I, of all people here, know how you operate.

It's your way of dealing with defeat.

And this:

[b]A small group of Jedi are facing twivamps. Precog enables the Jedi to, at the very least, pinpoint the general area the twivamps are in. Jedi force pushes in that direction. Fast ass twivamp is hurled backwards. Twivamp falls to the ground. Jedi force grabs twivamp before twivamp hgets to his/her feet. Jedi lifts twivamp off the ground. Jedi force pulls twivamp onto their lightsaber blade.

And here, I'll speak slow, break it down step by step for ya:

Jedi precog: Allows the Jedi to determine which direction the Twivamps are atttacking from. Front, back, left or right.

Force push: The Jedi sends out a wide force push, catching any Twivamp in a 180 degree area, sending them flying backwards.

Force grab: As the Twivamps are flying backwards, the Jedi force grab them, lift them off the ground, and slice them to pieces.

How can this possibly fail?

It can't.

Has not even been touched. It is indisputable and there is no counter for it.

Do you hear that? Listen close.........

YouTube video

The fat lady is singing your tune, babe. [/B]

Good god, man.

"Do you see why I don't like discussing this anymore?

You just repeated the same thing that you already stated, just with slightly different wording.

You've brought nothing new to the conversation and it doesn't even begin to counter what I just said. "

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You still haven't responded to my rebuttal.

The idea that a few Twilight vampires can defeat the Jedi Order is absurd, and you actually accidentally conceded.

You stated that in the Twilight books the vampires move in a blur, but that in the movies (which is all that you guys allow) THEY DON'T. Therefore, they DON'T move in a blur and therefore move slow enough that they don't blur. Therefore, the Jedi would be able to see them, and would be able to Force TK them.

All this BS about the Twilight vampires moving at thousands of miles an hour do NOT take into account the difference between running speed and combat speed.

Just because a vampire can run super fast doesn't mean that they have the reaction time and mobility to attack and maneuver that fast in a fight. They may also need to accelerate.

Also, Jedi are pretty durable. Anakin in AOTC fell hundreds or maybe even thousands of feet and was not injured.

In order to somehow win, the vampires would have to kill all of the Jedi BEFORE THE JEDI CAN REACT, which is IMPOSSIBLE. Even if they did have a combat speed of several thousand miles an hour like some Twilight fanboys/fangirls claim, they still wouldn't be fast enough to do that.

It was so full of fail that it was a waste of time to even reply to.

Yes, I am that arrogant and, no, it's not the first time I've ignored wastes of time.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It was so full of fail that it was a waste of time to even reply to.

Yes, I am that arrogant and, no, it's not the first time I've ignored wastes of time.

You know as well as me that you either didn't carefully read it or are making up an excuse not to answer because you CAN'T.

You have NOT proved that the vampires can move as fast as you claim IN COMBAT, which is basically the only defense that the vampires could possibly have against the Force. In fact, you actually accidentally disproved it while trying to refute my complaint about the (canon according to George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars) EU.