Gladiator & WWH vs THANOS

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Your Busiek quote means what? We already know that handbook stats are completely unreliable. That just reaffirmation.

Again, you miss the point. It is not important for a writer to cite the weight of an object and have it be cross referenced with actual weights in order for us to know what it weighs. If they lack any figure, then logically we go by a real world figure. Once more,

And no, I'm too lazy to give an exhaustive list. All you have to know is that I'm right . 100 tons objects are not particularly big at all we've seen tons of characters lift things that weigh 100 tons in actuality. Savage Dragon is another mid-tier that's lifted over 100 tons.

Lots of tanks weigh 100 tons. I'm not going to give you lists of things that should be common knowledge.

No, that's all based on speculation so in the end waste your time it doesn't mean anything.

You can't back up your case at all with examples or tanks which weigh 100 tons. You just pretend you know this stuff when it's clear you are just making things up without supporting your case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Common sense also applies and we always go with how the character is commonly portrayed not baseless speculation based on a drawing.

Common sense would be realizing that unless specified otherwise, common objects in comics and real world are meant to be 1 to 1 in a comparison. Lest the whole idea of feats in general becomes useless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said they were accurate I simply gave a writer's opinion which supports common sense for the most part.

No, that's all based on speculation so in the end waste your time it doesn't mean anything.

You can't back up your case at all with examples or tanks which weigh 100 tons. You just pretend you know this stuff when it's clear you are just making things up without supporting your case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

google is your friend.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Common sense would be realizing that unless specified otherwise, common objects in comics and real world are meant to be 1 to 1 in a comparison. Lest the whole idea of feats in general becomes useless.

Originally posted by -Pr-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

google is your friend.

i remember a tank feat spidey had.. the tank design wasnt real it doesnt exist in the real world it was small almost comical and then the fan wanking starts and try to apply the real weight of an abram tank and other similar tanks to an artist unique small go cart style tech one in order to claim how massively strong spidey was when he help flip it with his finger.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i remember a tank feat spidey had.. the tank design wasnt real it doesnt exist in the real world it was small almost comical and then the fan wanking starts and try to apply the real weight of an abram tank and other similar tanks to an artist unique small go cart style tech one in order to claim how massively strong spidey was when he help flip it with his finger.

The tanks weren't his only 100 ton feat anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't common at all hence lifting huge structures without them falling apart. If you think this is all possible irl and can cite examples of writers actually applying real life numbers in their stories to show strength then do so.

I don't trust wiki unless another source backs it up.

weak dodge.

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/PANZERKAMPFWAGEN%20VIII%20MAUS.htm

Originally posted by -Pr-
weak dodge.

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/PANZERKAMPFWAGEN%20VIII%20MAUS.htm

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't common at all hence lifting huge structures without them falling apart. If you think this is all possible irl and can cite examples of writers actually applying real life numbers in their stories to show strength then do so.

LOL. You are branching off into a completely seperate area of comic physics discussion. Don't try to befuddle this, and fail. Like I said, if by your admission the weights are different so as to allow feats that would not be possible due to structural integrity make it so, then as I said. The feat becomes useless.

And thankfully, DCU at least has an explanation for someone like Supes being able to lift up a skyscraper without it collapsing.

We've already been given examples of weights of objects in comics that would resonate reasonably with actual figures, i.e. the weight of the mountain range than hulk braced.

I don't trust wiki unless another source backs it up.

Yes, and those are called 'citations'. And they are found at the bottom of the page. Moron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, did spiderman ever toss these tanks? Because some tanks weigh more than 100 tons and some do not and my point has always been this isn't his standard strength nor is this how he is commonly portrayed.

why are you asking me? i dont read spidey.

when you compare the size of the tank to spidey standing beside it, spidey was nearly as tall of it if not taller iirc... and its length was the size of a normal size vehicle...

pretty sure that paladin was struggling to flip it cant recall how strong he is i think 2 tonner.. so if you factor all this and use it all as a measuring stick then the tank couldnt have weight any wear an abram tank and not that impressive feat for spidey..

Originally posted by CosmicComet
LOL. You are branching off into a completely seperate area of comic physics discussion. Don't try to befuddle this, and fail. Like I said, if by your admission the weights are different so as to allow feats that would not be possible due to structural integrity make it so, then as I said. The feat becomes useless.

And thankfully, DCU at least has an explanation for someone like Supes being able to lift up a skyscraper without it collapsing.

We've already been given examples of weights of objects in comics that would resonate reasonably with actual figures, i.e. the weight of the mountain range than hulk braced.

Yes, and those are called 'citations'. And they are found at the bottom of the page. Moron.

We argue how characters are portrayed not speculate over rare feats you can't prove and ignore his averages.

Hulk and Thor have planet busting power and they are portrayed generally as able to lift mountains unlike spiderman who isn't strong at all compared to these guys.

Then add those as sources, kid. I don't care what you do you're a geek who speculates on variables he cannot prove.

Originally posted by -Pr-
why are you asking me? i dont read spidey.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when you compare the size of the tank to spidey standing beside it, spidey was nearly as tall of it if not taller iirc... and its length was the size of a normal size vehicle...

pretty sure that paladin was struggling to flip it cant recall how strong he is i think 2 tonner.. so if you factor all this and use it all as a measuring stick then the tank couldnt have weight any wear an abram tank and not that impressive feat for spidey..

I remember the scans being rather inconsistent with tank size. At some points they looked like average sized tanks. At other times smaller.

Regardless, Spiderman has other 100 ton feats. This is not an issue at all. Again 100 tons is not a big weight for inanimate objects.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I remember the scans being rather inconsistent with tank size. At some points they looked like average sized tanks. At other times smaller.

Regardless, Spiderman has other 100 ton feats. This is not an issue at all. Again 100 tons is not a big weight for inanimate objects.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Dcu also has a lot of things that take place that make no sense it's comics and applying physics to comics is failure.

We argue how characters are portrayed not speculate over rare feats you can't prove and ignore his averages.

Hulk and Thor have planet busting power and they are portrayed generally as able to lift mountains unlike spiderman who isn't strong at all compared to these guys.

Then add those as sources, kid. I don't care what you do you're a geek who speculates on variables he cannot prove.

Was there ever a point where I said Spiderman was as strong as those guys? Jesus you dumb sack of potatoes.

My whole point in this thread was poking fun at a failed classification description system.

You somehow tried to correlate impossible lifting feats for meaning different weights, which again would mean thor or someone else lifting a building without it collapsing is useless as a feat as the comic would render it lighter than an actual one for it to be possible. Although we know impossibility aside, that's not what they are going for obviously The empire state building in the Marvel universe is meant to be one in the same in construct as the real one obviously.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give examples. Quit dodging either you know or you don't.

An example of one, he was nearly crushed by some giant metal apparatus that he estimated as outweighing a locomotive. Which weighs at least 100 tons. He lifted it up with strain.

but the phsyics in the comic world is different from the real one.. so to apply a characters feat as a real gauge to his strength limit is flawed..

example.. spidey help brace the daily buckle an impossible feat for his strength classification if we use real world physics and try to apply real world weight construction material off a small corner depiction of the building..

now the amount of webbing stored in the cartridges should also be impossbile and would be impossible for spidey to react fast enough to unload the cartridges fast enough to stop the building in the middle of its collapse with gravity and all..

its called suspension of disbelieve and we have to either except that spidey can move faster then gravity pulling on a building and surround the building with webbing.. has 100+ strength and has massive storage capacity in his cartridges that he can store hundreds of gallons of liquid/ gaseous substance in his wrist and waist that would weight a sh@$ load under the amount of pressure.

or we accept that real life science doesnt apply and its a fantasy world where spidey is really just a 10 tonner and that the world around him doesnt reflect his power classification..

he is not a 100+ tonner he does not possess Quicksilver lvl mach 10 speed

also spidey invented a new plastic material that is adamantium lvl strong to hold all the gases in his cartridges

Your post is long winded for no particular reason as it has nothing to do with my original point whatsoever I'm afraid. No, nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or suspension of logic or anything like that.

His classification does not define him. His feats define him. His classification is( as is almost the entirety of the marvel classification) flawed.

No. Spiderman is not a class 100 character, that's my whole freakin' point this whole time.

But by the terrible description of the class 100 category, he would 'technically' fit right in. Seeing as all it says is that it requires that you be able to lift 100 tons. Which he has done.

Again, the only thing I've been trying to point out is how flawed the strength class descriptions are. They should axe the tonnage values altogether.

Spidey can still be a class 20 or whatever he is. It would just mean a class 20 can lift about a 100 tons with max effort. Whereas a class 100 would be lifting an incalculable amount more than that at their max.

and i am saying ppl need to stop giving value to the objects in comics in order to say the character is a 100 tonner or 50 tonner just take it at face value..

in a forum just say look my guy lifted an elevator and tossed it one handed.. that is it my guy hits you with it your guy is dead unless he can lift it off himself...

no need to say my guy is stronger and should be a 100 tonner b/c of this drawing here. your guy is still just a 10 tonner by consensus of the writer with a nice splash page