Ozymandias runs The Matrix guantlet.

Started by Darth Martin4 pages

Ozymandias runs The Matrix guantlet.

Ozymandias makes his way to the Matrix. The rules and laws do not apply to him, however. He retains all of his superhuman abilities he displayed in Watchmen. The Matrix combatants have all of their abilities and are each in their standard clothing. No weapons. Ozymandias is in his standard clothing(not his armor), gets fully healed and rested after each fight. How far does he get?

Guantlet
1.Trinity
2.Morpheus
3.Seraph
4.Neo
5.Agent Smith

Things to Consider
*Trinity and Morpheus greatly improved between the first two films.
*Neo probably wasn't going all out against Seraph in The Matrix Reloaded, but Seraph did say in the third film that he had beaten Smith before(to which Smith agreed).
*Neo and Smith are only as powerful as they were in the original film before getting the upgrades.
*I think it's safe to say that everyone here is fairly more skilled in martial arts than the Comedian.

You should really give Ozy his armor here.

Seraph rapes.

It looked like he fought slower in the armor than out of it. I'm sure that has more to do with the actual actor's but still......

How does Seraph rape? Ozymandias is arguably faster than everyone here.

Neo included?

He caught a bullet at point-blank range. 😬

Neo was overwhelmed by Agent Jones' gunfire from atleast 30 feet away.

Veidt, possible homosexual, must remember to investigate further.

Stops at 4. Seraph would give him trouble but he'd win due to physical stats. Though, I'm not sure about this 'cause it's theorized that Seraph is a past "One".

WHY IN THE ALBINO TWIN PHUCK, IS AGENT SMITH AFTER NEO?

EDIT: nvrm, i read that last bit of the OP.

not sure, yet.. i'll contemplate this further

Originally posted by marwash22
WHY IN THE ALBINO TWIN PHUCK, IS AGENT SMITH AFTER NEO?
Because Smith handed Neo his ass.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Because Smith handed Neo his ass.
you're too quick sneer

i didn't read properly the first time and thought his was Neo and Smith at Reloaded or Revolutions.

Ah yes. Good ol' Matrix character debates. Always fun.

They all have an inherent advantage over Ozymandias in that they are all programmed to mastery level of every martial arts. While Ozymandias might (and might not) have a speed and strength advantage over the human characters, the programmes are vastly more powerful. Seraph held off M2 Neo in the fight and he is miles ahead of the human characters. Seraph and Smith would both wipe the floor with Ozymandias. The others, from a higher skill level, would put up an extremely good fight as well. You only need to look at M1 Neo's fight against Smith in the subway to see the strength of the human characters...While in the headlock he manages to jump high enough and with enough force to smash Smith through the concrete ceiling of the subway tunnel.

Why is it that Matrix characters apparently know ever martial art, but only use Wu Shu?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why is it that Matrix characters apparently know ever martial art, but only use Wu Shu?

Fight choreographer preferred that style, most likely.

Still, Tank said he was loading Neo with multiple programs and he had been going at it all day. In the Morpheous/Neo dojo fight scene, they do mix it up a bit using different styles, though Lawrence being fat and old looked especially ackward.

Why would we assume they are more skilled than someone based on Tank saying he was uploading so and so many styles?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why would we assume they are more skilled than someone based on Tank saying he was uploading so and so many styles?

Because we have multiple instances proving that an operator need only upload a program into someone in the Matrix and they're instantly skilled in it. eg Trinity says something like "I need to fly a Hewie helicopter", a few seconds later, she knows how.

Do you think the upload would just be the bare minimum, ie he trained Neo in the equivalent of a white-belt in Karate, considering they're at war with the Matrix. Also pretty sure it's said somewhere that the programs provide either expertise or decades of experience instantly to the uploaded person. Can't recall for sure though.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why is it that Matrix characters apparently know ever martial art, but only use Wu Shu?

Because Woo Ping's primary martial art was Kung-fu and because it looks best on screen compared to less elaborate and thus less audience friendly styles.

Has no bearing on the character's programmed abilities.

Originally posted by jaden101
They all have an inherent advantage over Ozymandias in that they are all programmed to mastery level of every martial arts.
More like a dozen or more fighting forms. Every was never stated.
Originally posted by jaden101
While Ozymandias might (and might not) have a speed and strength advantage over the human characters, the programmes are vastly more powerful.
I wouldn't say that.
Originally posted by jaden101
Seraph held off M2 Neo in the fight and he is miles ahead of the human characters. Seraph and Smith would both wipe the floor with Ozymandias.
Neo could have been holding back and likely was as we saw what he could truly do in Revolutions. No one is wiping the floor with anyone.
Originally posted by jaden101 Seraph and Smith would both wipe the floor with Ozymandias.
No one is wiping the floor with anyone. Veidt hits people with comparable power to the Agents.
Originally posted by jaden101
The others, from a higher skill level, would put up an extremely good fight as well.
Just because they know more styles(we're assuming) doesn't mean they're more skilled. Veidt tooled everyone he fought in H2H combat even when he was outnumbered.
Originally posted by jaden101
You only need to look at M1 Neo's fight against Smith in the subway to see the strength of the human characters....
......and your homework assignment is to look at Watchmen.

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Fair enough?

Originally posted by jaden101
While in the headlock he manages to jump high enough and with enough force to smash Smith through the concrete ceiling of the subway tunnel.
Guess what, Veidt has hops too. Look specifically at .16/.33 seconds in. It may not be as high as Neo or Morpheus' jumps but who's saying he was putting in supreme effort like they were?

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More like a dozen or more fighting forms. Every was never stated.

He was programmed with Jiu-Jitsu in a matter of seconds and his training went on for "10 hours straight" according to Tank...Equates to considerably more than a dozen.

I wouldn't say that

I would...Never saw Ozymandias punching through a reinforced concrete support column like Smith did.

Neo could have been holding back and likely was as we saw what he could truly do in Revolutions. No one is wiping the floor with anyone.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Neo was more powerful in Revolutions than he was in Reloaded...Shown by the fact that at the end of Reloaded he was able to manipulate machines in the real world...A further evolution of his ability.

No one is wiping the floor with anyone. Veidt hits people with comparable power to the Agents.

No...He doesn't. He's certainly powerful in human standards but Agents were designed to be far in advance of what even Morpheus, Trinity etc were able to produce and they had the advantage of knowing that the laws in the Matrix governing strength and speed could be bent or broken.

Just because they know more styles(we're assuming) doesn't mean they're more skilled. Veidt tooled everyone he fought in H2H combat even when he was outnumbered.

They clearly show vastly more skill than Veidt does...He fought 3 people...A drunk and middle aged Comedian did better against him than Rorschach and Nite-Owl (who by the time they fight is retired and out of shape). So they were hardly opponents on the level of Neo, Smith and Seraph...

As a human it would take years for Ozymandias to master new martial arts...It takes a Matrix character seconds...They clearly have a vast advantage in skill and mastery.

......and your homework assignment is to look at Watchmen.

Don't patronise me...I wouldn't have commented if I hadn't seen Watchmen. I have seen it several times. Facts are, though, that the Matrix characters would school Ozymandias to a ridiculous extent.

They're both gay.

Well homosexuality is one area where your opinion is certainly worth listening to...No doubt.

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