Originally posted by marwash22Incorrect.
Niobe > Trinity 😛.
Originally posted by marwash22Correct.
Jada > Carrie
Originally posted by jaden101Okay, I'll accept that. But that still doesn't equate to making any of these guys more skilled. Neo and Morpheus might be, but surely not Trinity or Smith. Seraph is hard to judge because he has one fight.
He was programmed with Jiu-Jitsu in a matter of seconds and his training went on for "10 hours straight" according to Tank...Equates to considerably more than a dozen.
Originally posted by jaden101......and Veidt slammed Blake's head through a marble table and kicked Rorschach several yards away like a football.
I would...Never saw Ozymandias punching through a reinforced concrete support column like Smith did.
Originally posted by jaden101Okay, not five minutes later he was shown kicking the hell out of atleast a hundred clones of Smith. Do you think Seraph could survive against all of them? I'll answer that for you; no. Infact, we know this because he was assimilated by Smith in Revolutions. Bottom line: Neo held back.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Neo was more powerful in Revolutions than he was in Reloaded...Shown by the fact that at the end of Reloaded he was able to manipulate machines in the real world...A further evolution of his ability.
Originally posted by jaden101In human standards? He's clearly superhuman in a number of statistical areas. He's hit people harder than what we've seen from the likes of Morpheus and Trinity. We've never seen an Agent kick a rebel like they were a football. Thrown? Yes, but not kicked.
No...He doesn't. He's certainly powerful in human standards but Agents were designed to be far in advance of what even Morpheus, Trinity etc were able to produce and they had the advantage of knowing that the laws in the Matrix governing strength and speed could be bent or broken.
Originally posted by jaden101Drunk? Blake was drinking coffee, not alchohol. So Morpheus isn't middle aged? Come on now..... Nite Owl retired and out of shape? Did you see the alley or prison fight scenes? Of course they aren't on the level of Smith, Seraph, or Neo. Morpheus and Trinity aren't either. We see the Matrix characters kick ass. We also see Ozymandias kick ass to the point that he literally has no competition.
They clearly show vastly more skill than Veidt does...He fought 3 people...A drunk and middle aged Comedian did better against him than Rorschach and Nite-Owl (who by the time they fight is retired and out of shape). So they were hardly opponents on the level of Neo, Smith and Seraph...
Originally posted by jaden101They may have a vast majority in knowledge or a variety of different styles. That doesn't mean they are more skilled.
As a human it would take years for Ozymandias to master new martial arts...It takes a Matrix character seconds...They clearly have a vast advantage in skill and mastery.
Bruce Wayne knows far more styles than Shang Chi or Steve Rogers. I guess that means he'd kick their asses in a fight, huh.
Originally posted by jaden101They'd school him? Veidt is smarter, faster and stronger than Morpheus and Trinity for sure. The only thing up in the air is Morpheus' jump. Hardly relevant in H2H combat, however.
Don't patronise me...I wouldn't have commented if I hadn't seen Watchmen. I have seen it several times. Facts are, though, that the Matrix characters would school Ozymandias to a ridiculous extent.
Many of the Matrix characters are much faster than Ozy.
Only speed feat Ozy has was catching the bullet. And in that feat he had focused all his attention on catching that one bullet, he could also see when the trigger was going to be pulled. He more than likely preemptively went to catch the bullet before it was fired since his arm does not move at superspeed to catch it, which would be necessary if he indeed catches it after its fired.
Neo dodges many bullets in the first film. Put Ozy in the same situation and he'd full of lead.
Neo displays super-speed strikes in the dojo scene.
Smith also does his super-speed punches on Neo in the subway fight.
Also, just looking at their typical fight scenes, Matrix characters fight faster.
Matrix characters also have much higher durability. Morpheus recovers very quickly from Agent Johnson's punches. Johnson has shown he is strong enough to punch open steel doors,rip the top of a car off with ease and destroy a car by jumping on it.
......and Veidt slammed Blake's head through a marble table and kicked Rorschach several yards away like a football.
Morpheus kicked Neo with enough force to propel him across the dojo and through a 2 feet thick wooden pillar.
In human standards? He's clearly superhuman in a number of statistical areas. He's hit people harder than what we've seen from the likes of Morpheus and Trinity. We've never seen an Agent kick a rebel like they were a football. Thrown? Yes, but not kicked.
We've seen an agent jump onto the front of a moving car with enough force to completely crush it and flip it over.
As for Morpheus...See above.
Your move.
Nite Owl retired and out of shape?
Yes...That's the entire time the movie is set in.
From the wiki page about the actor portraying the character.
In the 2009 Watchmen film he is played by Patrick Wilson, who put on 25 pounds in between the filming of his flashback scenes and the 1985 scenes, showing the physical decline of his character.
They'd school him? Veidt is smarter, faster and stronger than Morpheus and Trinity for sure. The only thing up in the air is Morpheus' jump. Hardly relevant in H2H combat, however.
Smarter?...I have no doubt. Faster and stronger?...No.
Trinity put up a good showing against the same agent who totalled the car I mentioned above...As did Morpheus on the roof of the truck. (He was able to jump off the front of Niobe's car and up to the roof of the truck and kick the agent with enough force to send him flying off the back of the truck and smash through another car's windscreen.
They may have a vast majority in knowledge or a variety of different styles. That doesn't mean they are more skilled.
They're effectively instantly trained with all the knowledge available about each martial art...It's instant mastery...Of course they have more skill. Not to mention that each of them exhibit far more fighting prowess than Ozymandias does.
Okay, not five minutes later he was shown kicking the hell out of atleast a hundred clones of Smith. Do you think Seraph could survive against all of them? I'll answer that for you; no. Infact, we know this because he was assimilated by Smith in Revolutions. Bottom line: Neo held back.
We also know that Smith is vastly more powerful in revolutions than he is in reloaded...Much as Neo is...How do we know this? We know he effectively assimilates all the powers and knowledge of everyone he clones himself over...As seen by him taking the Oracle's sight.
What we do know is that Smith and other agents exhibit far more strength than Ozymandias has (from the examples I've given above). We also know by the speed of his rapid punches against Neo in the subway fight that he has far greater combat speed than Ozymandias. We also know that Seraph has beaten Smith before.
Safe to say that Seraph would beat Ozymandias.
Veidt caught a bullet fired at point blank range. He reacted after the gun was fired. Neo dodged those bullets at a distance that looked to be 30 feet. Only speed feat you say? What about the assassin scene? Veidt probably could have punched through that steel door too considering his striking feats.