Ozymandias runs The Matrix guantlet.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Okay, consider then the ricochet effect that Rorschach's body underwent after coming into contact with the wall compared to Neo's hitting the pillar.

Ricochet effect? Veidt kicked him, Rorschach sorta spun around, glanced ever so slightly off the wall, and fell onto the ground. He barely made contact with it anyway. I don't really see your argument regarding the wall. It's not like Veidt kicked him 20 feet straight into the wall, Rorschach bounced off, and he flew another 20 feet again. The total distance traveled was 20 feet at most, and it really doesn't compare with what Morpheus did to Neo.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Your comparing that to Veidt's?

So first you say there are only throws.

I showed you punches and kicks.

Then you said there are still no kicks.

I point out again where the kick happens.

So I have corrected your original statements three times already, but never mind that right?

And how would you know if its comparable or not? Morpheus was immediately stopped by the wall, you couldn't tell how far he would've been booted.

The final punch from the Agent on Morpheus was more powerful than anything Veidt has shown, granted, but that was an upgraded Agent(broke the steel door, not Smith)

The same agent that Smith then assimilated with no effort whatsoever.

Regardless, Trinity was easily taken out by the Twin in Reloaded.

Taken out as in managed to get blade to her throat. Also...The twins...Who were actually highly skilled fighters themselves.

Fail to see your point.

If Veidt wanted, he could have sent Morpheus off the truck too.

Do you actually read this shit back to yourself before you post and think that it's a valid argument.

You've used the "Veidt could've punched through the steel door" argument...Despite no evidence that he has nearly enough strength to do what took an agent several punches.

I mean...Really?...Just...REALLY?

If Smith wanted, he could kill Ozy effortlessly.

What about Blade? How does he fare with this guantlet?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
What about Blade? How does he fare with this guantlet?

I did a Blade vs Morpheus thread a while back that worked out about even.

Although this included both Bladed weapons and guns.

Blade without weapons.

Vedit's faster and more skilled than Blade, but Blade's more durable and stronger.

Best open another thread to continue this one though.

I guess it also depends on how strong the vampires that Blade fights are...Everything would be relative to that and how much stronger they are compared to humans.

If you give it the matrix comparison then supposedly old programmes due for deletion are responsible for the stories of ghosts and vampires...As told by the Oracle...So does that mean that we can say that a vampire is equal to that of a programme about to be deleted...Are these programmes equal to that of Agents?

All relative really.

Not sure if he's more skilled, but he definitely has better reflexes. I'd put Blade at around Morpheus level.

Blade was being worked by Nomak who seemed to be roughly the same speed. No one touched Veidt.

No one Veidt fought even compared to Nomak. In fact, Veidt himself would be brutalized by Nomak, the guy was tanking gunfire, throwing Blade 50+ feet away, and kneeing through marble ground as if it were styrofoam.

True.