Originally posted by srankmissingninThats nice but its also Marvel putting a twist on their martial artists Im talking about straight h2h ability I see you aren't though. I see no definite edge in the MA department between the two company as far a pure skill is concerned.
Superhuman powers all derived - with the exception of Iron Fist - solely through training. Their abilities are an extension of martial skill and discipline.
PC Val has grappled a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, Zero Hour had senses to hear Emerald Empress MILES away, Judomaster's will can defy the universe so she DOESN"T have to get hit, Lady Shiva brought someone back to life using her own skill, and Richard Dragon has a couple of chi skills under his belt.
Also, O-sensei has chi tricks and Constantine Drakon can pluck dozens of arrows from top tier archers such as Green Arrow and Conner Hawk.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Thats nice but its also Marvel putting a twist on their martial artists Im talking about straight h2h ability I see you aren't though. I see no definite edge in the MA department between the two company as far a pure skill is concerned.
I couldn't careless about powers. There is an established peer review hierarchy of skill in each universe. For instance, it is widely excepted among the whos who of the DC Martial Arts community that Shiva, Cass and Dragon are all more skilled than Bruce Wayne. Alternatively in Marvel it is excepted that Captain America is more skilled than Ironfist, Daredevil and Shang-chi. Ironfist and Shang-chi are - at the very least - the equal of Shiva and Dragon in terms of martial prowess, and Daredevil is practically a Batman analog with almost mirror image feats of skill. Captain America is considered by his peers to be the top of the heap among the street level martial artists, better than people who would be gunning for the top spot in the DC U hierarchy if they were in that Universe.
Cass is kind of a ringer. How do you dodge a sniper shot in two instances, only moving after the sniper fires, or dance step between bullets with only peak human level stats..? (Not diving or leading gunfire, but actually stepping between shots fired by four gunmen within seconds of each other with inches between them like you'd see in a horse race...?)
Originally posted by cdtm
Cap may be more skilled then Shang Chi, but he isn't beating him barring PIS....Cass is kind of a ringer. How do you dodge a sniper shot in two instances, only moving after the sniper fires, or dance step between bullets with only peak human level stats..? (Not diving or leading gunfire, but actually stepping between shots fired by four gunmen within seconds of each other with inches between them like you'd see in a horse race...?)
Shang-Chi can spin fast enough to turn into a mini tornado, vanish from sight plain sight, walk on ceilings, tank class 100 blows by distributing the force, literally get knocked into orbit and fall back to earth without getting koed, ko with slight pressure point taps to the wrists of his enemies, dance between bullets after they are fired and use his chi to ko people with the silent scream. Dude's a wrecking crew. I love Shang-Chi and own all his appearances... but it is well established with in the hierarchy of the Marvel U that, in terms of application of technique he isn't as skilled as Captain America or Wolverine. I think Shang-Chi is better than any active Martial Artist in standard DC continuity, and the logical implication of that is Cap and Wolverine are more skilled as well. /shrug
Originally posted by srankmissingnin👆
Shang-Chi can spin fast enough to turn into a mini tornado, vanish from sight plain sight, walk on ceilings, tank class 100 blows by distributing the force, literally get knocked into orbit and fall back to earth without getting koed, ko with slight pressure point taps to the wrists of his enemies, dance between bullets after they are fired and use his chi to ko people with the silent scream. Dude's a wrecking crew. I love Shang-Chi and own all his appearances... but it is well established with in the hierarchy of the Marvel U that, in terms of application of technique he isn't as skilled as Captain America or Wolverine. I think Shang-Chi is better than any active Martial Artist in standard DC continuity, and the logical implication of that is Cap and Wolverine are more skilled as well. /shrug
Originally posted by Prep-Man
If Cap is more skilled, than can he do chi tricks along with being Kung fu master?
Off the top of my head I can't think of any feats of Captain America using chi. He does have some knowledge of it, after all he did teach Peter Parker and MJ how about chi when he was training them, but I can't think any feats that have been explicitly stated as being chi fueled.
Maybe he does though, and I just can't remember. I mean... even the Punisher does, so I wouldn't be surprised if Cap did as well.