nah.. he knows the generic term of chi and simple basic exercises ala gym but cap does know about "chi".
its more of a mental process cap is in the same boat as taskmaster they can fight and know various MA but dont posses nor grasp the mystic or mental discipline of chi,, its a spiritual thing,.. cap shouldnt be able to do it b/c the SSS is like cheating instead of acquiring the requirement mental discipline.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Off the top of my head I can't think of any feats of Captain America using chi. He does have some knowledge of it, after all he did teach Peter Parker and MJ how about chi when he was training them, but I can't think any feats that have been explicitly stated as being chi fueled.Maybe he does though, and I just can't remember. I mean... even the Punisher does, so I wouldn't be surprised if Cap did as well.
I'm sure he does, but I see Shang as overall more skilled than cap. With the combo of hth expertise and chi to help him, I see him getting a majority. Same as IF.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm sure he does, but I see Shang as overall more skilled than cap. With the combo of hth expertise and chi to help him, I see him getting a majority. Same as IF.
Shang is certainly more versatile but he isn't more skilled.
I like to say that the SSS prevents Cap from achieving perfect harmony of mind and body to rationalize his lack of chi based abilities.
Originally posted by Prep-Manhis skill comes from his ability to fight and mastering the various styles he has run into...
Again physical amps does not equal skill, unless Cap has earned it through training. SSS helps Cap and probably wouldn't be as effective without it.
the physical amp is what makes him superior to shang in h2h.
and cap without the SSS was still kicking @$$.. even when he was having seizures and whatnot..
he is one bad mofo
Originally posted by King CastleLol your personality is so refreshing. Anyways I'll agree with the notion that Shang should be guys like Capt I would give Shang the majority over Shiva and Batman too from what I have seen he amps everything to the point he's superhuman and he's a top tier MA specialist
who r u callin kid, son?
Originally posted by srankmissingninSkill? No Speed/reflexes? Doubt it.
Cap has said he is more skilled than Iron Fist and Zaran (and possibly Batroc) said he was more skilled than Shang-Chi. Even in pure h2h Steve has every advantage. Speed, strength and yes, even skill.
Cassie is pretty much superior to lady shiva in h2h and she could read Cap.
Exactly where does cap say he's superior to IF? And you say he's superior to Shang chi? Please......
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I couldn't careless about powers. There is an established peer review hierarchy of skill in each universe. For instance, it is widely excepted among the whos who of the DC Martial Arts community that Shiva, Cass and Dragon are all more skilled than Bruce Wayne. Alternatively in Marvel it is excepted that Captain America is more skilled than Ironfist, Daredevil and Shang-chi. Ironfist and Shang-chi are - at the very least - the equal of Shiva and Dragon in terms of martial prowess, and Daredevil is practically a Batman analog with almost mirror image feats of skill. Captain America is considered by his peers to be the top of the heap among the street level martial artists, better than people who would be gunning for the top spot in the DC U hierarchy if they were in that Universe.
It's seriously generally accepted iin the MU that Cap is above all those guys iin skill? Highly Doubtly.
I'm also pretty curious about just how you calculated which characters from different comic universes are exact matches for each other in skill?
Basically
Shiva,Dragon,Cassie > Batman
and Cap> IF,Shang,DD
who are = to Shiva,Cass,Dragon, except DD who is = Batman
so inevitably Cap > Batman,Cass,Shiva, and Dragon?
I don't think so.......you're pretty marvel slanted, you know that?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shang-Chi can spin fast enough to turn into a mini tornado, vanish from sight plain sight, walk on ceilings, tank class 100 blows by distributing the force, literally get knocked into orbit and fall back to earth without getting koed, ko with slight pressure point taps to the wrists of his enemies, dance between bullets after they are fired and use his chi to ko people with the silent scream. Dude's a wrecking crew. I love Shang-Chi and own all his appearances... but it is well established with in the hierarchy of the Marvel U that, in terms of application of technique he isn't as skilled as Captain America or Wolverine. I think Shang-Chi is better than any active Martial Artist in standard DC continuity, and the logical implication of that is Cap and Wolverine are more skilled as well. /shrug
I think he's more powerful than DC martial artists due to chi, but is likewise less skilled than some of the top DC ones.
Capt, no shield, vs Shang-Chi using all those chi powers and not just HtH, I'd give to Chi.
Chi without using all those chi powers and amps, I'd give to Capt.
Chi without his chi powers and amps, I'd give to Cassandra or Shiva because I don't think in terms of application of techniques he's on their level, just as he's not on CA's. In terms of martial arts skill, I think the top DCers are higher than him too.
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dont screw with the shang
Originally posted by Q99
I think he's more powerful than DC martial artists due to chi, but is likewise less skilled than some of the top DC ones.Capt, no shield, vs Shang-Chi using all those chi powers and not just HtH, I'd give to Chi.
Chi without using all those chi powers and amps, I'd give to Capt.
Chi without his chi powers and amps, I'd give to Cassandra or Shiva because I don't think in terms of application of techniques he's on their level, just as he's not on CA's. In terms of martial arts skill, I think the top DCers are higher than him too.
I'll agree with that. Though, Richard dragon is on Shang's level skill wise, IMO.
