Originally posted by Starscream MAll-Star Superman has NOT demonstrated "insane combat speed." Please stop assuming that if mainstream Superman is capable of preforming a given feat, an alternate version must also be capable of doing the same. They are completely different beings.
except superman HAS demonstrated insane combat speed on numerous occasions
Originally posted by Galan007what? how are they completely different beings?
All-Star Superman has NOT demonstrated "insane combat speed." Please stop assuming that if mainstream Superman is capable of preforming a given feat, an alternate version must also be capable of doing the same. They are completely different beings.
ASS has pretty much the same exact powers as regular supes.
Originally posted by Starscream M
surfers reflexes is overrated. just because he's a cosmic character, ppl assume he can fight at super speed, which is not a valid assumption simply because he travels at that speed.your scans were ok, I would accept those. but I would still argue that superman is faster in terms of combat speed. and superman is more mobile than surfer.
Absolute rubbish, people assume he can fight at superspeed because he has been shown to fight at Superspeed fool. No one here is making the type of assumptions ur claiming. Your decision to turn a blind eye to clear evidence and instead argue against reasoning which u formulated in ur vacant mind is ur own cup of tea and only further underscores ur idiocy as well as debating ineptitude.
U dont know enough about superman ( or any comic character) to do anything but constantly flaunt ur retardation. My scans showed surfer displaying comparable combat speed. U simply dont want to accept it cuz u dont like it. heh, i didnt expect u too nor do i care if u do. But for the sake of the sane community on this forum as well as ur own shit stained reputation just....STFU and GTFO.
Originally posted by Starscream MThey are completely different characters, from completely different universes/continuities. Trying to interchange feats between alternate characters is a horribly faulty line of logic.
what? how are they completely different beings?ASS has pretty much the same exact powers as regular supes.
Not to mention that there are a few noticeable differences between mainstream and All-Star Supes. The first that comes to mind is the fact that A/S literally overloaded his cells just by coming within close proximity of the sun. Mainstream Supes, on the other hand, can casually sit inside the sun, and be none the worse for wear afterward. Secondly, A/S Supes was depowered almost immediately after being under the light of a red sun. Whereas mainstream Supes can work under a red sun for a good length of time before he even begins to lose his powers. Etc.
Look, All-Star Supes is one of my favs, but he is just outclassed here. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13
Surfer takes it easily. He's tanked planet busting attacks without even blinking so Superman's attacks wouldn't hurt him, and while he's laughing off hits he would blast Supes with red solar energy.
Were these planet busting attacks energy attacks? If so then that wouldn't apply to Supes one shotting Surfer with a physical fist. Similar to that of Thanos doing it, but rather in one or two hits.
Originally posted by Galan007
It's arguable, but the general consensus seems to be that A/S is stronger. Though Surfer could still win by either a.) depowering Supes via red sun radiation, or b.) kill him via overloading his already bursting cells with even more yellow sun radiation. Either way.A/S is immune to kryptonite.
SS would be dead before he could do that.
BLITZ FTW!
Originally posted by h1a8
Were these planet busting attacks energy attacks? If so then that wouldn't apply to Supes one shotting Surfer with a physical fist. Similar to that of Thanos doing it, but rather in one or two hits.
That's probably the worst logic I've ever seen. If I remember correctly ASS has never destroyed a planet, much less with one blow, making an energy attack that can one shot a world > any punch ASS could dish out. Norrin's durability protects him equally well from energy blasts or punches, and Thanos is exponentially more powerful than Superman.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13
That's probably the worst logic I've ever seen. If I remember correctly ASS has never destroyed a planet, much less with one blow, making an energy attack that can one shot a world > any punch ASS could dish out. Norrin's durability protects him equally well from energy blasts or punches, and Thanos is exponentially more powerful than Superman.
Thanos is physically weaker than Superman by feats.
ASS had no reason to destroy planets with a punch. Energy attacks contain mostly burning type power. A fire resistance jacket is not bulletproof. The Sun would destroy a planet too if it entered it. Both Superman and Surfer can survive in Suns. Yet they can get hurt by less than planetary type physical blows. This is common sense.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13
You apparently lack a rudimentry knowledge of physics. Energy output is energy output, if I can survive an atomic bomb going off on my chest I can survive a punch from someone who hits with less force even easier. Logic is a good thing, pick some up next time you go out.
"rudimentary physics" doesn't necessarily work with comic book logic.
It's been established and accepted that there are skillsets and powers (impossible under rudimentary knowledge of physics, naturally) which allow one to absorb or ignore KINETIC energy like a punch or kick, but be utterly devastated by even the weakest of projectile energy blasts.
Good example: Bishop (formerly of the Xmen) could absorb nearly ALL energy attacks- cyclops' concussive blasts, magneto's magnetism, iceman's ice powers, even a shot from onslaught that killed the rest of the Xmen in his timeline. Yet he can still be shot and harmed with regular bullets and successfully engaged in melee combat even by those without super strength.
Reverse Example: Classic Speedball, Sebastian Shaw, and Strong Guy can all absorb kinetic assaults without issue, but energy based attacks can and will hurt and kill them.
Another Example: Thor is completely immune to nuclear explosions and can even enter the core of the sun, but can still be KOed with physical attacks of far less force, and can even be shot by bullets of a high enough caliber.
Not that I have an opinion on who wins this fight either way, but it was worth pointing out that "rudimentary physics" doesn't always work when talking about skillsets that are considered impossible by current laws of science.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13
You apparently lack a rudimentry knowledge of physics. Energy output is energy output, if I can survive an atomic bomb going off on my chest I can survive a punch from someone who hits with less force even easier. Logic is a good thing, pick some up next time you go out.
One can't gauge an energy attack in terms of sheer force since there are burning properties incorporated with them. Meaning, It isn't always the FORCE that destroys. A mirror can deflect a laser beam of high strength but be shattered by the weakest of physical attacks. A chunk of salt can survive an assault with a torch for a long time but will crumble with a small blow from a hammer. Thor has survived Destroyer's D beam yet gets rocked by punches and physical attacks of far less destruction. Are these punches>>>>D beam? Whether we use comic physics or real physics I'm right.