Originally posted by Digi
Your original quote about the handbook was this:It later changes to this:
So your credibility is already looking a bit shoddy. Athlete or super strength, depending on which one you can better use to make your opponent look ignorant.
But, your original quote was that she was athlete level based on handbooks, I said she has feats beyond that (which she does). My point stands. Beyond that, feats always trump handbooks, and handbooks should rarely, if ever, be used as a sticking point for an argument. You know this, yet have dwelled on it. Let's move on.
You didn't read my posts carefully. I told you her bios mentioned that she was athletically strong. This was the truth (but only in the past). I first thought she was still currently athletically strong. I WAS WRONG. Members were trying to say she had super strength WITHOUT PROOF. Then when a member showed the feat against the army with the tanks, in my next post I said "She must have received an upgrade." This implied that I BELIEVE she has super strength if she did receive an upgrade. I also recently saw an updated bio explaining her new super strength upgrade. I accepted it to all members here. Then you post. Why?
One feat doesn't prove anything remember. Otherwise Spidey is a class 100. Members were claiming that she had super strength without proof (not even showing 1 feat). Even when the 1 feat was shown, I stepped back and believed it was possible for her to have super strength. You are acting as if I still was arguing that she is still athletically when PROOF was shown. I wasn't. This is clear.
I don't have all of Gamora comics. The ones I do have doesn't portray her with super strength. Should I always accept the word of members WITHOUT proof, especially when the bios (older ones lol) says the opposite? I know Comics>>>Bios but Bios>>>Members without proof.
And what about believing a strength level based off 1 feat? Batman has feats which show super strength. Does he actually have super strength? You get my point?
We all must remember not to create a double standard. Proof of strength must be shown in regularity. Otherwise I can argue that Spidey is at least a class 50 or Batman is class 20 and still be valid.
Lulz. You must not know....well...me.To the last comment, if you're referring to the battle alongside Doc Samson against Hulk, an entire web cartridge was torn through the moment Hulk decided to flex. And that was arguably one of the weakest versions of Hulk ever.
I'll give you this, webbing can hinder even Class 100's. It can. However, one need not list the times his own villains have broken through decent amounts of it to realize that it isn't unbreakable until Class 100's. Not even close.
My claim is that it will slow her down. Even if it slows her down 1 second, this is an eternity for Spidey to pummel her.
Let's take the Civil War battle with Cap. For the record, I give SM 10/10 against Cap. Less with CIS, but 10 in a forum battle. Now, an earlier post cited Gamora's feat of paralyzing Thing with nerve strikes. This is one among many feats. Could Cap do this? Doubtful. He may have the skill, or speed, but lacks the strength. Now, in the Cap/SM battle, SM talks about his speed, predictive ability through spider-sense, webbing, etc. Yet Cap gets him off-guard, in the air where he can't maneuver in time, and in two strikes numbs large chunks of Pete's body. Now I'll remind you that this was Iron Spider-Man, with a protective iron suit, and immediately after his "The Other" arc where he was faster and stronger than ever. By all accounts, those upgrades have been ret-conned as per OMD. There is small amount of PIS in the fight, and Spidey clearly isn't bloodlusted, but the point stands that the most powerful SM ever almost got two-shot by Cap as a result of a miscalculation.
That fight was Super PIS and shouldn't be used in any way. First of all, those first hits shouldn't have happened. Spidey can move as fast as a bullet (if not faster), can see bullets in ultra slow motion, and have pre-cog spider sense. Cap on the other hand isn't as fast as a bullet. Being able to dodge and block them means nothing since one can be 10x slower than a projectile and still be able to dodge or block it. Second, Spidey has dodged MANY things while airborne (including machine gun fire) by easily twisting and contorting his body. The things he can't dodge while airborne are attacks TOO BIG for him to get his entire body outta the way. Lastly, Spidey wasn't fighting nowhere to the best of his abilities, not a freaking finger LOL. Third, him being much faster than Cap contradicts the fact that Cap caught up to him before he landed. Can Spidey float or fly like Superman now? Spidey clearly jumped LATERALLY at super speed to avoid the shield. No way Cap should have caught up BEFORE he landed. Spidey didn't even use his webbing on CA like what was shown before on Wolverine (webbed him with ease). That was bad writing.
SM does not have much pure skill, despite some modest training. His fighting is instinctual. If he is out of position as a result of someone out-maneuvering him, he can't dodge blows from someone forever against someone who is more skilled than him. It's the Cap fight times 2, with someone stronger and faster than Cap (I won't say more skilled than Cap, though it's possible).
This doesn't refute my argument that once Gamora misses she will be open and Spidey will pounce her.
I'll even say he probably is quicker than Gamora. But jumping around randomly based on guesses and sense is worse than calculated strikes, even if the strikes are slightly less fast.
This will not be happening in a forum fight. Spidey will clearly pounce her with his superior speed over hers once she misses.
He can win. He can lose. I just think that for those reasons, he loses more than wins. Redundant lectures on the nature of spider-sense won't convince me of anything.
Well Spidey sense with Superior speed is a better argument. Spidey sense will not win it alone I give you that.
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Also, isn't her sword standard equipment? That should make this fight entirely moot.
Not really. She only has one swing, in which she will miss and get pounced. And this is assuming that Spidey doesn't even use his webbing to slow her down.
Her having super strength makes this fight non PIS but still Spidey wins 10/10.
