Originally posted by DigiNo! Her bio isn't contradicted by her canon. It states that she has super strength. Are you implying she doesn't? Bios are a good source to explain the origins of a character and how they obtained their powers (if they have any). Many human characters have technically superhuman feats by (our definition). Batman for example, has many feats that go beyond class 10.
But her bio IS contradicted by her canon, as are most characters and their bios. Never a good source. Again, you should know better.
You must not know how Spidey's sense works. It guides Spidey outta the way of danger, not towards it. There's no predicting here. You can't feint Spidey. His spidey sense would only go off and guide him if a TRUE attack is coming. The moment she misses he will pound her instantly. Also webbing, if Pete decides to use it, would at least slow her down for the kill (not literally). Even a large amount of it has held beings like Hulk for awhile.
Some people are legitimately fast enough and skilled enough to hit Pete. To pretend otherwise is ludicrous. Lasers and bullets don't adapt, predict, etc.[/B]
Originally posted by Bentley
lol at you arguing with Digi about Spider-man.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Thats what I am also loling about but I guess H1s mighty math equations are better.
I'm actually chuckling a bit myself. The whole thing seems a bit surreal, especially since the last time I debated with Spidey was my tourney win with him. I kinda want to back out just because I'd like h1 to be right, even if I disagree with him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Based on being superior in pretty much EVERY area that matters in this fight. Being a better MA, Stronger, more durable & faster. That about sums it up. So what areas do you feel Spiderman is superior again?
Although i give gamora the edge, since when is she faster?
Your original quote about the handbook was this:
Originally posted by h1a8
She was constantly listed as althlete strength for years. Now suddenly shes spider-man level? 😱Well she must have received an upgrade since all other handbooks list her as athlete strength and ability (or no super powers).
It later changes to this:
Originally posted by h1a8
No! Her bio isn't contradicted by her canon. It states that she has super strength.
So your credibility is already looking a bit shoddy. Athlete or super strength, depending on which one you can better use to make your opponent look ignorant.
But, your original quote was that she was athlete level based on handbooks, I said she has feats beyond that (which she does). My point stands. Beyond that, feats always trump handbooks, and handbooks should rarely, if ever, be used as a sticking point for an argument. You know this, yet have dwelled on it. Let's move on.
Originally posted by h1a8
You must not know how Spidey's sense works.
Lulz. You must not know....well...me.
Originally posted by h1a8
It guides Spidey outta the way of danger, not towards it. There's no predicting here. You can't feint Spidey. His spidey sense would only go off and guide him if a TRUE attack is coming. The moment she misses he will pound her instantly. Also webbing, if Pete decides to use it, would at least slow her down for the kill (not literally). Even a large amount of it has held beings like Hulk for awhile.
To the last comment, if you're referring to the battle alongside Doc Samson against Hulk, an entire web cartridge was torn through the moment Hulk decided to flex. And that was arguably one of the weakest versions of Hulk ever.
I'll give you this, webbing can hinder even Class 100's. It can. However, one need not list the times his own villains have broken through decent amounts of it to realize that it isn't unbreakable until Class 100's. Not even close.
Let's take the Civil War battle with Cap. For the record, I give SM 10/10 against Cap. Less with CIS, but 10 in a forum battle. Now, an earlier post cited Gamora's feat of paralyzing Thing with nerve strikes. This is one among many feats. Could Cap do this? Doubtful. He may have the skill, or speed, but lacks the strength. Now, in the Cap/SM battle, SM talks about his speed, predictive ability through spider-sense, webbing, etc. Yet Cap gets him off-guard, in the air where he can't maneuver in time, and in two strikes numbs large chunks of Pete's body. Now I'll remind you that this was Iron Spider-Man, with a protective iron suit, and immediately after his "The Other" arc where he was faster and stronger than ever. By all accounts, those upgrades have been ret-conned as per OMD. There is small amount of PIS in the fight, and Spidey clearly isn't bloodlusted, but the point stands that the most powerful SM ever almost got two-shot by Cap as a result of a miscalculation.
SM does not have much pure skill, despite some modest training. His fighting is instinctual. If he is out of position as a result of someone out-maneuvering him, he can't dodge blows from someone forever against someone who is more skilled than him. It's the Cap fight times 2, with someone stronger and faster than Cap (I won't say more skilled than Cap, though it's possible).
I'll even say he probably is quicker than Gamora. But jumping around randomly based on guesses and sense is worse than calculated strikes, even if the strikes are slightly less fast.
He can win. He can lose. I just think that for those reasons, he loses more than wins. Redundant lectures on the nature of spider-sense won't convince me of anything.
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Also, isn't her sword standard equipment? That should make this fight entirely moot.
Originally posted by Digi
Let's take the Civil War battle with Cap. For the record, I give SM 10/10 against Cap. Less with CIS, but 10 in a forum battle. Now, an earlier post cited Gamora's feat of paralyzing Thing with nerve strikes. This is one among many feats. Could Cap do this? Doubtful. He may have the skill, or speed, but lacks the strength. Now, in the Cap/SM battle, SM talks about his speed, predictive ability through spider-sense, webbing, etc. Yet Cap gets him off-guard, in the air where he can't maneuver in time, and in two strikes numbs large chunks of Pete's body. Now I'll remind you that this was Iron Spider-Man, with a protective iron suit, and immediately after his "The Other" arc where he was faster and stronger than ever. By all accounts, those upgrades have been ret-conned as per OMD. There is small amount of PIS in the fight, and Spidey clearly isn't bloodlusted, but the point stands that the most powerful SM ever almost got two-shot by Cap as a result of a miscalculation.
That's a bit hypocrite. Besides, SM was holding back like usual, he always does when fighting "normal" people, and he worships Cap. Not only that, but in the second half of the fight, it was Spider-Man who was dominating the fight, but of course it got interrupted...
Originally posted by DigiI am ready and willing to challenge you to a battlezone over this blasphemy. crackers
Let's take the Civil War battle with Cap. For the record, I give SM 10/10 against Cap. Less with CIS, but 10 in a forum battle.
Cap, by Spidey's own limited observation, has studied Spidey and knows how he fights. And let's face it, Cap doesn't need to be Mister X to tool Spiderman. Intuiting how Spiderman will fight is more than enough an advantage for someone like Cap.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0That helps Cap a lot in a CIS on fight when Spider-man's in the "ZOMG im fighting Captain America, how can I punch the living legend? What would uncle Ben think of me?" kinda mindset. But IMO in a no CIS fight it wont help much once Spider-man decides to punch through Cap's skull with a fullforce blow.
I am ready and willing to challenge you to a battlezone over this blasphemy. crackersCap, by Spidey's own limited observation, has studied Spidey and knows how he fights. And let's face it, Cap doesn't need to be Mister X to tool Spiderman. Intuiting how Spiderman will fight is more than enough an advantage for someone like Cap.