Originally posted by tkitna
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Originally posted by Soljer
Blocks a bullet from the winter soldier with his shield after the shot's fired;
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5392/ca14014mp3.jpgSoon after, dodges point blank, from his knees, and even throws his shield in the span of time it takes the bullet to get from the barrel to him.
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Even Winter Soldier couldn't believe he could dodge it;
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6166/ca14017oe3.jpg
And the most recent one:
I hope nobody thinks Cap is seriously faster than a bullet. Has the forum become this?
Originally posted by DeadlineReally? You argued that pretty hard back in the day... I'm surprised.
Y'know this is Gamora vs Spiderman but I gotta say Spiderman vs Cap 10/10 to Spidey.....that sounds pretty fanatical.
Originally posted by Digi
You used the word 'pounce' a lot.Anyway, you're giving some lopsided advantages here in how you think the battle would play out. What's stopping Gamora from playing defensive until Spidey presents an opening (which he would)? SM is fast, but the webbing has a set speed, and she can undoubtedly stay away from it as needed. She's not getting webbed unless she makes a tactical error.
Everyone pretty much missed the point on the Cap fight so it's probably not worth revisiting. The point was, someone < Gamora can paralyze half his body in a couple strikes, while he's wearing armor that he no longer has. I realize that fight included large amounts of PIS, but that doesn't negate how easily Cap hurt him. Gamora could do far worse. If those two strikes were sword stabs, Pete's dead. And since her sword is always on her, I am assuming it is standard and present for this match.
There's also the assumption that as soon as Pete strikes, the fight is over. References to pummeling and pouncing abound. But when he can't one-shot his own usually-class-10 opponents, why should we think one or two strikes will down gamora? I think he will indeed hit her, and possesses the strength to put her down. But certainly not so easily.
I'll take back the handbook accusations though. I tried to read through everything, but pages fill awful fast in this forum. Must have missed your acceptance of her upgrades.
It's only 10/10 for Spidey if we give him every benefit of the doubt and Gamora none. A more fair assessment of how their strengths and skills would interact produces at least a split, and imo a majority for Gamora.
With that said, you make a wonderful argument. If she plays defensive and lets Spidey attacks first and causes him to miss then she has a small window in which to counter strike. It won't be easy (since she is not quite as fast) but certainly possible. I take back my argument and say this fight is closer to 50/50 than I originally thought, depending on reviewing some of her speed feats.
Guys, feel free to post her speed feats here (I'll try to look in her respect thread too).
Well done Digi.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I hope nobody thinks Cap is seriously faster than a bullet. Has the forum become this?
Really? You argued that pretty hard back in the day... I'm surprised.
And why do I have deja vu about this already being argued?
Some hand gun bullets (.22 cal) can be as slow as 600-700mph depending on the gun and the bullet. Major League batters can hit 100mph fast balls in the real world, I don't think Cap being able to react 6-7 faster than them is that huge of a stretch.
Maybe that is just me.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI have no problem with CA reacting to bullets. I have a problem with him moving as fast as one. It is highly possible for one to dodge or block a projectile moving 10x faster than them.
Some hand gun bullets (.22 cal) can be as slow as 600-700mph depending on the gun and the bullet. Major League batters can hit 100mph fast balls in the real world, I don't think Cap being able to react 6-7 faster than them is that huge of a stretch.Maybe that is just me.
Originally posted by tkitna
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/?action=view¤t=CapFasterthanBullets.jpg😕
Seen that a billion times. Dont accept it for the following reasons:
1. Red Skull fired 3 times before CA ran. That means he missed the first 3 shots since the mechanics of that gun can't allow 2 successive shots before the first shot strikes the target from several feet away. If you argue that this is comics and stuff like that can happen then I can argue that CA can do what he did and still not be faster than a bullet. I'm not going to accept your nonsense if you can't accept mine.
2. It is PIS. CA has no other feats proving he can run faster than a bullet.
This is like trying to prove Spider-man is class 100 with 1 or 2 feats when everyone clearly knows he isn't. The utter definition of PIS.
I chalk up Spiderman's high feats to more adrenaline. He can't casually do them, but if a situation is tremendously dire he can do them for a short period of time.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWell I've argued something like that with Spider-Man in *quick burst* movements, even humans are capable of quick burst movements often seen in combat. But to say it the way it was presented makes it seem like it lasts some decent amount of time.
Some hand gun bullets (.22 cal) can be as slow as 600-700mph depending on the gun and the bullet. Major League batters can hit 100mph fast balls in the real world, I don't think Cap being able to react 6-7 faster than them is that huge of a stretch.Maybe that is just me.
Originally posted by h1a8
I truly believe Gamora can one-shot spidey (especially with the sword), that I accept. I never doubted it.With that said, you make a wonderful argument. If she plays defensive and lets Spidey attacks first and causes him to miss then she has a small window in which to counter strike. It won't be easy (since she is not quite as fast) but certainly possible. I take back my argument and say this fight is closer to 50/50 than I originally thought, depending on reviewing some of her speed feats.
Guys, feel free to post her speed feats here (I'll try to look in her respect thread too).
Well done Digi.
lol, ok. The sad thing is, I'm as big a Spidey fan as anyone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never understood why people favor feats over how these characters are portrayed. Gamora would mop the floor with Spiderman I mean seriously rape him. Spiderman has more feats because he's been in 20,000 more comics I mean come on.
Heh. Christ, it's come to this. Cosigned in full.
Originally posted by DigiI've been waiting years for you to cosign one of my posts. I might profile my alliance with digi.
lol, ok. The sad thing is, I'm as big a Spidey fan as anyone.Heh. Christ, it's come to this. Cosigned in full.
On a serious note I am glad you like myself favor writer's portrayals over feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never understood why people favor feats over how these characters are portrayed. Gamora would mop the floor with Spiderman I mean seriously rape him. Spiderman has more feats because he's been in 20,000 more comics I mean come on.
Spoiler:
Except feats ARE how these characters are portrayed...
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He has a point though, and why I don't think feats alone all the time work. I mean Spider-Man has feats if you include *all* of them to make him truly menacing to high meta easily, but some logic has to take place. This is also true with the mega stars like Wolverine, Batman, and Superman. Their level of feats allow them to take on all types of characters that they probably wouldn't logically win against.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He has a point though, and why I don't think feats alone all the time work. I mean Spider-Man has feats if you include *all* of them to make him truly menacing to high meta easily, but some logic has to take place. This is also true with the mega stars like Wolverine, Batman, and Superman. Their level of feats allow them to take on all types of characters that they probably wouldn't logically win against.
Feats are the only thing that mater. What do you have other than feats? Nothing. Bios and narrative... just a bunch of pointless exposition without examples to back it. What matters is what a character can do, and we know what they can do by watching them do it... and those are "feats". Feats only "don't work" when you'd like to arbitrarily decided that one character is superior... even though the evidance suggests other wise.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo, they really aren't. Feats help but they are often exaggerated and tend to portray them vastly superior to how they are written 95 percent of the time.Spoiler:
Except feats ARE how these characters are portrayed...😕
Originally posted by srankmissingninEverything matters but more importantly how the characters are portrayed.
Feats are the only thing that mater. What do you have other than feats? Nothing. Bios and narrative... just a bunch of pointless exposition without examples to back it. What matters is what a character can do, and we know what they can do by watching them do it... and those are "feats". Feats only "don't work" when you'd like to arbitrarily decided that one character is superior... even though the evidance suggests other wise.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyBecause he has more appearances. Do you really feel like Spiderman can challenge Ronan ?
Exactly.And Spider-Man's feats >>> Gamora's feats. No real discussion here.
A bloodlusted Spider-Man fighting at the best of his abilities is a serious threat to Gamora.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you really feel like Spiderman can challenge Ronan ?
Unless Spider-Man is just standing there.
Taking his powers into consideration, Spider-Man has done great against the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Masterson Thor, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Namor, Morlun and the list goes on.
Ronan is tough (and extremely boring) and again, I don't see Spider-Man winning even one fight unless PIS is involved, but then again, Ronan isn't unbeatable, to put it mildly.
Originally posted by srankmissingninFeats aren't the only thing that matters though. It is often a faulty way of arguing because many people will give a character an auto-win simply because they have a larger library. Sometimes characterizations and common sense come into play. Then you have feta wars, which are circular arguments based on people using the feats they like. Honestly, that's why pretty much any thread in this forum is over ten pages. People don't agree on what a character can do in the first place. Then you have stats, which help ground a character especially if they haven't been shown much. On top of that Bio's can be characterizations about certain parts of a character as well.
Feats are the only thing that mater. What do you have other than feats? Nothing. Bios and narrative... just a bunch of pointless exposition without examples to back it. What matters is what a character can do, and we know what they can do by watching them do it... and those are "feats". Feats only "don't work" when you'd like to arbitrarily decided that one character is superior... even though the evidance suggests other wise.
I mean if we go by feats. Then you can't really even argue in threads with heavy hitters. A lot of your favorite characters versus Spider-Man automatically lose. Sabretooth? Not a chance, Spider-Man has loads of feats of better strength, speed and showings, and then you have Gorgon, Spider-Man has better feats than him due to being a star.
Another problem is that feats don't follow KMC ruling, so people will say "it happened this way in a comic" and that's how it happened here. Neglecting to mention posturing, saving a hostage, or any other situational circumstance.
And then there's lying and exaggeration, another thing entirely. Something tons of characters on a board here indulge in.
