Nova Prime vs Green Lantern (Kyle)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ a. Whilst ignoring that Kyle resolved to consciously reject what Oblivion offered and still has to this day. What... his subconscious is going to access that knowledge?

b. Yeah, and that power that Oblivion represented went away. Was reabsorbed as part of the Ion power, and then was given up.

c. And Kyle refused it. And Kyle buried it deep inside his subconscious. Because that's how he defeated Oblivion's attempts to taint and seduce him over to the "Dark Side of the Force."

What story are you reading? Did you write a fanfic where Kyle releases Oblivion from his subconscious, goes all Darth Vader, and starts creating an army of Oblivions? Til it's published by DC, let's stick with what Kyle's done on-panel. Whether what Kyle has actually performed on-panel isn't good enough for you or good enough in a fight is your problem. Not our's.

Glad you asked. I am reading the fanfic by a member that goes by the name of Dumb. Apparently after having the comic explain to him, what Oblivion is, and what not. He still wishes to fantasize that Oblivion was an external power, despite being told otherwise. Or that just because knowledge is being kept in his subconscious, does not take away that it still exists.

All in the efforts of denying legitimate feats done by Kyle, given that he was not exposed to any outside influence.

^ What legitimate feats? We already agreed he hasn't done sh1t with these l33t Oblivion skillz he supposedly can conjure up any time he wants without compromising his persona.

Next time Sentry's involved in a thread, we'll have you come in and argue about how all of Sentry's non-Void feats are PIS... since y'know, his showings as Void are his power and aren't external at all. That Sentry always eventually remembers what Void does (painfully so in fact), and that Sentry should easily be able to call up Void's abilities... despite wanting to keep that part of his persona suppressed deeply within. I mean... Void keeps offering to help Sentry in pretty much the same way Oblivion wanted to help Kyle, amirite?

Yup. Sentry can just draw upon Void's ability easily without compromising his own personality at all. So anything Sentry suffered below the Void's level... all PIS. In a hypothetical vs. fight... non-Void Sentry has Void's abilities. He can use them without reverting to the Void. Just because he hasn't done so, doesn't mean he couldn't do so or wouldn't do so.

That doesn't sound stupid at all.

Originally posted by iceman24567
That thread needs to be cleansed

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
oh really? you forgot to mention he was weakening without those entities back in him. he was dying basically. Btw, that was one stooped story arc. it was rediculous and corny as hell.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What legitimate feats? We already agreed he hasn't done sh1t with these l33t Oblivion skillz he supposedly can conjure up any time he wants without compromising his persona.

Next time Sentry's involved in a thread, we'll have you come in and argue about how all of Sentry's non-Void feats are PIS... since y'know, his showings as Void are his power and aren't external at all. That Sentry always eventually remembers what Void does (painfully so in fact), and that Sentry should easily be able to call up Void's abilities... despite wanting to keep that part of his persona suppressed deeply within. I mean... Void keeps offering to help Sentry in pretty much the same way Oblivion wanted to help Kyle, amirite?

Yup. Sentry can just draw upon Void's ability easily without compromising his own personality at all. So anything Sentry suffered below the Void's level... all PIS. In a hypothetical vs. fight... non-Void Sentry has Void's abilities. He can use them without reverting to the Void. Just because he hasn't done so, doesn't mean he couldn't do so or wouldn't do so.

That doesn't sound stupid at all.

Why would Kyle drawing up information from his subconscious compromise his personality? Last we checked Kyle came to terms, with his inner fears, and self loathing. We are arguing about information being resurfaced, not emotions.

So, is there any reason to believe Kyle wasn't subconsciously drawing on the extra power from the CPB?

Originally posted by cdtm
So, is there any reason to believe Kyle wasn't subconsciously drawing on the extra power from the CPB?

During the Circle of Fire arc? That would be a firm no.

@Id

where are you basing all this ability from? Kyle initially had a special ring that was better and prolly more powerful. that is how he was able to subconciously create those constructs. He does not have that same power anymore. He purged it all to repower the battery. it's obvious because nothing like what happened during the CoF arc has happened again. to say that he can conjure up the abilities from those constructs anytime he wants is just laughable!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@Id

where are you basing all this ability from? Kyle initially had a special ring that was better and prolly more powerful. that is how he was able to subconciously create those constructs. He does not have that same power anymore. He purged it all to repower the battery. it's obvious because nothing like what happened during the CoF arc has happened again. to say that he can conjure up the abilities from those constructs anytime he wants is just laughable!

Read #168, Kyle was able to construct a life like independent construct with relative ease.

Originally posted by "Id"
Try again. Her purged himself of the Central Battery’s power. Nothing was ever mentioned of purging the powers of his ring. He still retained the same ring with more modifications (upgrades) added on.

Read #168, Kyle was able to construct a life like independent construct with relative ease.

oh really? did that construct do all those things his constructs did in CoF?

btw wut new upgraes? im pretty sure he kept the same mods when he first got his ring minus the same power level.

i remember now. the so called upgrades were the ring would always return to him and never fully run out. it still needed recharging though to reach full power. it does not have the same power... to me those "upgrades" are not much of an upgrade.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
oh really? did that construct do all those things his constructs did in CoF?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
i remember now. the so called upgrades were the ring would always return to him and never fully run out. it still needed recharging though to reach full power. it does not have the same power.........

Originally posted by "Id"
The ring always needed recharging.

i know i just wanted to point out that even though it never really ran completely out of juice, it still needed charging to reach it's highest capabilities.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
i know i just wanted to point out that even though it never really ran completely out of juice, it still needed charging to reach it's highest capabilities.

I don’t see how it matters much. This has always remained a constant pre, and post Central Battery reignition.

A Green Lanterns energy reserves will always play a factor unless they happen to be Ion (or equivalent) or an Alpha Lantern. Since they essentially internalize their battery. Or you can pull Larfleeze move, and never let go of it.

u still didnt tell me what the construct did in that issue u mentioned...

It did all the functions of a common Green Lantern. No different to Alexandra DeWitt, GL, or Hunter & Forest.

To be exact he made a duplicate of himself. So you cant really say that sans Circle of Fire, Kyle is unable to make constructs like the one shown in that arc.

if it really is something like from CoF, then i may be mistaken. this i gotta see. if it's nothing like CoF..... >=/

Originally posted by "Id"
Oblivion, Green Lightning, Emerald Knight, etc… are complex constructs created by Kyle as a Green Lantern with absolutely no outside influence. Those are legitimate feats to bring up in Kyle favor.

Why would Kyle drawing up information from his subconscious compromise his personality? Last we checked Kyle came to terms, with his inner fears, and self loathing. We are arguing about information being resurfaced, not emotions.

Kyle came to terms with his inner fears and self loathing because he suppressed Oblivion. Arguing that information can be resurfaced without compromising his emotional catharsis from Circle of Fire makes as much sense as Sentry knowing how to shapeshift himself into countless forms in his fights like Void does. A large part of Kyle's emotional catharsis came from rejecting the seduction of power that came from Oblivion's knowledge. Freely using Oblivion's knowledge compromises that entire basis of personal resolution.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Absolutely no outside influence except that it all happened by accident as a result of emotional instability and was actually killing him... right.

Thank you for admitting no outside influence took place.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And it's more than arguable Kyle doesn't even retain his original ring anymore.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Kyle came to terms with his inner fears and self loathing because he suppressed Oblivion. Arguing that information can be resurfaced without compromising his emotional catharsis from Circle of Fire makes as much sense as Sentry knowing how to shapeshift himself into countless forms in his fights like Void does. A large part of Kyle's emotional catharsis came from rejecting the seduction of power that came from Oblivion's knowledge. Freely using Oblivion's knowledge compromises that entire basis of personal resolution.