Bible question and answers

Originally posted by peejayd
* the primary definition of "cult" is not negative… a cult is particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult)... but if you are talking about a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader, then you're wrong… Christianity is a religion that works for the betterment of every person abiding by its doctrines…

I wasn’t talking about Christianity. I was talking about the absoluteness of your statement. People should always think for themselves, and not just believe what they are told.

Originally posted by peejayd
* while literal idolatry is blatant worshipping of graven images, statues, etc…

That is closer to my definition.

Originally posted by peejayd
* true Christianity should not utmost interpret the Bible by themselves… I stand by my word that the Bible can speak for itself because it is complete (Isaiah 34:16), however the word of God is sealed until the endtimes (Daniel 12:9), no evil person can understand it but there is a God's messenger who will unlock (not interpret) the mysteries of the Bible for the Christians (Daniel 12:10)… now, what is the manner/style of God's messenger of unlocking the mysteries?

That loophole in philosophy, allows “evil people” the room to make the bible say whatever they wish it too.

Originally posted by peejayd
* God's messenger searches one by one, laying one thing to another to find out the reason… since the Bible is complete, all we need is to search and research:

I do not believe the bible to be complete. From my point of view, that is just your belief. How would you prove such a thing?

Originally posted by peejayd
* just like what Detective Conan's tagline --- "There is only [b]one truth"… 🙂[/B]

There we disagree. Truth is relative. Like most things in life, what we know is dependant on were we are. You can extend this concept to the mystical idea of truth. If you are not ready for a truth, then you will not be given that truth. Therefore, the truth of a novice is different (incomplete) then a master (complete).

Originally posted by peejayd
* in [b]their interpretation, they might not be worshipping idols… but in the Bible, they really do…[/B]

From my point of view, this appears to be only a regional (your church) interpretation of the bible. Even though it is common with the church I used to be a member of. How can you prove that your belief, is nothing more then an interpretation?

Originally posted by peejayd
* ah, no… for me, being truthful is when you get angry when there's a reason to get angry, you laugh when there's something funny, you're sad when there's something tragic, you're happy when there's something nice… but projecting fake diplomacy when you're really angry in your heart is outright hypocrisy… correct? 🙄

No, not correct. There are places in life were showing your anger (as right as it my be) is inappropriate. Also, allowing your anger to control you, can get you in trouble. I know this first hand.

Originally posted by peejayd
* since when did you become a school teacher? 😂

Since when did you become a student? 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wasn’t talking about Christianity. I was talking about the absoluteness of your statement. People should always think for themselves, and not just believe what they are told.

* and I am talking about Christianity… by the way, what's your definition of religion? for me, when you engage yourself in a religion, you abide by its set of doctrines… and for me, if I disagree with at least one of its doctrines, I'll leave that religion because for me, being a member of a religion is tantamount of abiding all of its doctrines… and in Christianity, the doctrines of the true religion should be the complete set of the teachings/preachings of Jesus and His apostles/disciples…

"And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
Matthew 28:18-20

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is closer to my definition.

* and what is your exact definition of idolatry? and compare that to what the catholics are doing… be truthful… don't tell me what is idolatry in a catholic's perspective because we all know they will deny that… do tell if the catholics really practice idolatry according to your definition of the word…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That loophole in philosophy, allows “evil people” the room to make the bible say whatever they wish it too.

* then it is our responsibility to search and research for the truth… if we don't want to be deceived by a false prophet twisting the Scriptures, we should be well-informed about the doctrines of a certain religion…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do not believe the bible to be complete. From my point of view, that is just your belief. How would you prove such a thing?

* literally, the Bible is incomplete, there are books that should in the Bible but was lost and never recovered… so I'll qualify my statement: the Bible is complete with regard to Christian faith… by the help of God, I can prove that by answering all faith-related questions according to the Bible…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There we disagree. Truth is relative. Like most things in life, what we know is dependant on were we are. You can extend this concept to the mystical idea of truth. If you are not ready for a truth, then you will not be given that truth. Therefore, the truth of a novice is different (incomplete) then a master (complete).

* half-truth (incomplete) is not the truth (complete)… what was relative was the person's capacity to accept and digest the truth… for example, you cannot just tell a kid where he came from, that he is a product of his parent's sexual relationship… you can tell a kid something incomplete but in reality, what you told him is not really the truth…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
From my point of view, this appears to be only a regional (your church) interpretation of the bible. Even though it is common with the church I used to be a member of. How can you prove that your belief, is nothing more then an interpretation?

* we've been discussing this over and over… what is idolatry according to the Bible? what is idolatry according to the dictionary? I think you are knowledgeable enough to know what is the literal and Biblically definition of idolatry… you know catholics practice idolatry… I just don't get what you're trying to pull time and time again by stating catholics do not practice idolatry according to their (catholic's) perspective… don't speak for them, we all know they will deny that… speak for yourself…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, not correct. There are places in life were showing your anger (as right as it my be) is inappropriate. Also, allowing your anger to control you, can get you in trouble. I know this first hand.

* being right is being appropriate and being truthful to yourself and others… however, I do agree that we should not be controlled by anger… we can be angry and still have complete control of ourselves… in the Bible, it is a sin to be angry at your brethren without any reason or cause:

"But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, Raca! shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, You fool! shall be in danger of hell fire."
Matthew 5:22

* but in general, it is not a sin to be angry so long as you can control yourself, you don't think evil things to a person, you're just plain angry with what his doing, and not the person itself:

"Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
And give no opportunity to the devil."
Ephesians 4:26-27

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Since when did you become a student?

* a student of the Bible, yes… more than 11 years now… 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* and I [b]am talking about Christianity… by the way, what's your definition of religion? for me, when you engage yourself in a religion, you abide by its set of doctrines… and for me, if I disagree with at least one of its doctrines, I'll leave that religion because for me, being a member of a religion is tantamount of abiding all of its doctrines… and in Christianity, the doctrines of the true religion should be the complete set of the teachings/preachings of Jesus and His apostles/disciples…[/B]

Religion is a set of practices, rituals and beliefs that are common among a group of people.

Originally posted by peejayd
* and what is [b]your exact definition of idolatry? and compare that to what the catholics are doing… be truthful… don't tell me what is idolatry in a catholic's perspective because we all know they will deny that… do tell if the catholics really practice idolatry according to your definition of the word…[/B]

I do not have a personal definition of idolatry. Rightful thinking leads to rightful actions, wrongful thinking leads to wrongful actions. To me, that means intent is all important. If I saw someone bowing before a statue and praying, I would seek out the persons intent. If they told me they were worshiping a god, then I would believe they were idol worshipers. However, if they told me that they were doing something different, and not worshiping an idol, I would not believe they were idol worshipers. I believe Catholics when they say they are not worshiping an idol.

Originally posted by peejayd
* literally, the Bible is incomplete, there are books that should in the Bible but was lost and never recovered… so I'll qualify my statement: the Bible is complete with regard to Christian faith… by the help of God, I can prove that by answering all faith-related questions according to the Bible…

Do you see how that is circular thinking?

Originally posted by peejayd
* half-truth (incomplete) is not the truth (complete)… what was relative was the person's capacity to accept and digest the truth… for example, you cannot just tell a kid where he came from, that he is a product of his parent's sexual relationship… you can tell a kid something incomplete but in reality, what you told him is not really [b]the truth…[/B]

Expedient means are often used to teach, but that does not mean they are half-truth.

Originally posted by peejayd
* we've been discussing this over and over… what is idolatry according to the Bible? what is idolatry according to the dictionary? I think you are knowledgeable enough to know what is the literal and Biblically definition of idolatry… you know catholics practice idolatry… I just don't get what you're trying to pull time and time again by stating catholics do not practice idolatry according to their (catholic's) perspective… don't speak for them, we all know they will deny that… speak for yourself…

The bible seems to say different things depending on who you are asking. How can you prove to me that you are right, and they are wrong?

Originally posted by peejayd
* being right is being appropriate and being truthful to yourself and others… however, I do agree that we should not be controlled by anger… we can be angry and still have complete control of ourselves… in the Bible, it is a sin to be angry at your brethren without any reason or cause:

Anger is like a wild bull. It is best left alone.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Religion is a set of practices, rituals and beliefs that are common among a group of people.

* in that case, you should follow your religion 100%... but you say, you aren't…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do not have a personal definition of idolatry. Rightful thinking leads to rightful actions, wrongful thinking leads to wrongful actions. To me, that means intent is all important. If I saw someone bowing before a statue and praying, I would seek out the persons intent. If they told me they were worshiping a god, then I would believe they were idol worshipers. However, if they told me that they were doing something different, and not worshiping an idol, I would not believe they were idol worshipers. I believe Catholics when they say they are not worshiping an idol.

* you just automatically believe what they tell you? that's gullibility… now, I know where you're coming from…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you see how that is circular thinking?

* there's none…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Expedient means are often used to teach, but that does not mean they are half-truth.

* they might not be considered as half-truths but you cannot consider them as the truth…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The bible seems to say different things depending on who you are asking. How can you prove to me that you are right, and they are wrong?

* now that's circular thinking… as I've said, know the correct definition of idolatry… may it be Bible and/or dictionary and you will realize if what they're doing is idolatry or not… in general, I'm telling you to go back to basics, learn the basis and deal with it…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Anger is like a wild bull. It is best left alone.

* do not limit the capacity of a person's tolerance on anger… I know many people cannot control anger but I know more people who can… in the Bible, that's where faith and love come in, that's where the words and teachings of Jesus come in… eventhough someone is abusing your kindness:

"Thus they have repaid me evil for good and hatred for my love."
Psalms 109:5

* the Bible teaches us to:

"Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?"
I Corinthians 6:7

"Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.
No, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
Romans 12:19-21

* these are excellent passages from the Bible that a Christian must keep in their hearts to help them control anger… 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* in that case, you should follow your religion 100%... but you say, you aren't…

No one should follow any religion 100%.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you just automatically believe what they tell you? that's gullibility… now, I know where you're coming from…

If a Catholic tells me about their religion, I am going to believe them over what a protestant says about the Catholic religion, and vice versa. Following a religion 100% is being gullibly, don’t you think?

Originally posted by peejayd
* there's none…

So, you cannot identify circular thinking?

Circular reasoning; a use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion, a method of false logic by which "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this"; also called circular logic

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circular+reasoning

Originally posted by peejayd
* they might not be considered as half-truths but you cannot consider them as [b]the truth…[/B]

That made no sense.

Originally posted by peejayd
* now that's circular thinking… as I've said, know the correct definition of idolatry… may it be Bible and/or dictionary and you will realize if what they're doing is idolatry or not… in general, I'm telling you to go back to basics, learn the basis and deal with it…

What? Let me repeat:

“The bible seems to say different things depending on who you are asking. How can you prove to me that you are right, and they are wrong?”

I’m not asking about the definition of idolatry; I’m asking why should I believe you over a Catholic?

Originally posted by peejayd
* do not limit the capacity of a person's tolerance on anger… I know many people cannot control anger but I know more people who can… in the Bible, that's where faith and love come in, that's where the words and teachings of Jesus come in… eventhough someone is abusing your kindness:

To me, that is a dangerous point of view.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No one should follow any religion 100%.

* that's your opinion… you should have not engaged in a religion if you will not follow it 100%...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If a Catholic tells me about their religion, I am going to believe them over what a protestant says about the Catholic religion, and vice versa.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What? Let me repeat:

“The bible seems to say different things depending on who you are asking. How can you prove to me that you are right, and they are wrong?”

I’m not asking about the definition of idolatry; I’m asking why should I believe you over a Catholic?

* that's gullibility… if you don't want to believe me, why don't you read the Catholic doctrines and dogmas and see for yourself?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Following a religion 100% is being gullibly, don’t you think?

* no, it's faith…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
To me, that is a dangerous point of view.

* no, it's not… you are just generalizing that all people will not be able to control their own anger… while I do believe that there are people who can't, I still believe there are people who can…

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's your opinion… you should have not engaged in a religion if you will not follow it 100%...

Religions are made by humans, and humans are not perfect.

There are many people in the world who live perfectly normal lives, and do not follow their religion 100%. They my say things like “I don’t like that preacher”, but it boils down to a disagreement between their beliefs and those of their church or religion. They don’t leave their church, just because they disagree with someone’s interpretation of the bible. At worst case, they go to a different church. If what you are saying was true, people wouldn’t need to look for a church that fits them. They would simply walk into any church, and they would all be the same, because everyone would be following their religion 100%.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's gullibility… if you don't want to believe me, why don't you read the Catholic doctrines and dogmas and see for yourself?

Me asking you a question is gullibility? You are not making any sense.

I’m not interested in the Catholic doctrine, I simply take their word for it.

The Catholic religion aside: why should I believe your explanation of the bible, when it comes to what someone of a different denomination is doing?

Originally posted by peejayd
* no, it's faith…

I didn’t think faith took works in Christianity. I thought even the most back sliding sinner could have faith. Your religion doesn’t sound like a very nice place to be. Perfection is impossible to achieve.

Originally posted by peejayd
* no, it's not… you are just generalizing that all people will not be able to control their own anger… while I do believe that there are people who can't, I still believe there are people who can…

I don’t understand your argument. I never said it was impossible, only that anger is difficult to control. If you think it is easy to control your anger, I could test you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Religions are made by humans, and humans are not perfect.

* that's only your interpretation… in Christianity, humans can achieve perfection… having the mentality of humans cannot achieve perfection can cause disastrous repercussions, both personally and socially… a religion like yours which you claim to let you walk any path you want is not some place I would want myself be in… there are laws in Christianity, and in those laws, Christians can attain perfection… a goal which molds a person into a better one, not worse…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are many people in the world who live perfectly normal lives, and do not follow their religion 100%.

* and there are many people in the world who also live normal lives eventhough they follow their religion 100%...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If what you are saying was true, people wouldn’t need to look for a church that fits them. They would simply walk into any church, and they would all be the same, because everyone would be following their religion 100%.

* that's funny… a person looking for a religion that fits him… it's like a catholic man converting into Muslim or Mormon only to have his adulterous life be legal… who is he fooling? that's a very catastrophic mentality… see? that's because people should not look for a religion that fits them… what we should look for is the truth, and not the group that fits what we like… example, I'm looking for the truth, and I found the truth in Christianity, then the most logical thing to do is to abide by the laws of Christianity 100% because I believe it is the truth! I'm not staying in Christianity because of convenience, but I'm staying because I know it's the truth…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Me asking you a question is gullibility? You are not making any sense.

* I'm answering the two posts you made… you know what's gullibility?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If a Catholic tells me about their religion, I am going to believe them over what a protestant says about the Catholic religion, and vice versa.

* that's gullibility… or, you're just too lazy to read Catholic doctrines to see what doctrines they really are spreading…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I’m not interested in the Catholic doctrine, I simply take their word for it.

* see? that's another gullibility…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The Catholic religion aside: why should I believe your explanation of the bible, when it comes to what someone of a different denomination is doing?

* I do not interpret the Bible… and when a certain religious group claims to use the Bible as their basis, and do things prohibited in the Bible, I take notice and question them… if a denomination claims not to have the Bible as their basis, I shut up because there is no point of argument…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn’t think faith took works in Christianity. I thought even the most back sliding sinner could have faith.

* oh yes, they have faith but a wrong one… it's called "heresy" in the Bible…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your religion doesn’t sound like a very nice place to be. Perfection is impossible to achieve.

* you're wrong… a congregation of people with faith is an excellent place to be, you feel secured and you feel contented… perfection is attainable in Christianity… if you cannot attain perfection in Buddhism, I pity you…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t understand your argument. I never said it was impossible, only that anger is difficult to control. If you think it is easy to control your anger, I could test you.

* I never said it was easy… that's the reason why I gave some Bible passages from the Bible (as an example) that a Christian must keep in their hearts to help them control anger… I'm also telling you that in Christianity, being angry does not automatically constitute sin, it depends on the intent of the heart…

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's only your interpretation… in Christianity, humans can achieve perfection… having the mentality of humans cannot achieve perfection can cause disastrous repercussions, both personally and socially… a religion like yours which you claim to let you walk any path you want is not some place I would want myself be in… there are laws in Christianity, and in those laws, Christians can attain perfection… a goal which molds a person into a better one, not worse…

That sounds extreme, to me. The idea that you can attain perfection is false, and can lead to delusion.

Originally posted by peejayd
* and there are many people in the world who also live normal lives eventhough they follow their religion 100%...

That may happen in someone’s mind, but not in real life.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's funny… a person looking for a religion that fits him… it's like a catholic man converting into Muslim or Mormon only to have his adulterous life be legal… who is he fooling? that's a very catastrophic mentality… see? that's because people should [b]not look for a religion that fits them… what we should look for is the truth, and not the group that fits what we like… example, I'm looking for the truth, and I found the truth in Christianity, then the most logical thing to do is to abide by the laws of Christianity 100% because I believe it is the truth! I'm not staying in Christianity because of convenience, but I'm staying because I know it's the truth…[/B]

You found the truth in Christianity is another way of saying you found a church or religion that fits you better. They are both the same thing.

Originally posted by peejayd
* I'm answering the two posts you made… you know what's gullibility?

Gullible - Easily deceived or duped.

What I think you are telling me is to never believe a Catholic. Not all Catholics lie, and not all people who disagree with you are lying.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's gullibility… or, you're just too lazy to read Catholic doctrines to see what doctrines they really are spreading…

I don’t care about Catholic doctrine. To me, all Christian doctrine is very silly. However, if you tell me what you believe, I will accept as how you believe. That is not gullibility. If you don’t know about how you believe, then there is something wrong with you. The same is true with an organization. They say this or that is what they believe and they should know. Where I began to doubt is where someone tells me how someone else believes. It seems to me that Catholics would be an authority on what they believe, and not you. Even though you used to be a Catholic, I still will not take your word for it, because it is contrary to what Catholics say they believe. Would you want me to believe what some other religion says about your religion? There are a lot of bad things said on the internet about Eli Soriano. Should I believe them over what you say?

Originally posted by peejayd
* I do not interpret the Bible… and when a certain religious group claims to use the Bible as their basis, and do things prohibited in the Bible, I take notice and question them… if a denomination claims not to have the Bible as their basis, I shut up because there is no point of argument…

Originally posted by peejayd
* oh yes, they have faith but a wrong one… it's called "heresy" in the Bible…

I’m guessing they would say the same thing about your religion.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you're wrong… a congregation of people with faith is an excellent place to be, you feel secured and you feel contented… perfection is attainable in Christianity… if you cannot attain perfection in Buddhism, I pity you…

Perfection is not attainable. To believe you have gained perfection is a delusion.

You do not understand Buddhism, so please, do not bring it up.

Originally posted by peejayd
* I never said it was easy… that's the reason why I gave some Bible passages from the Bible (as an example) that a Christian must keep in their hearts to help them control anger… I'm also telling you that in Christianity, being angry does not automatically constitute sin, it depends on the intent of the heart…

I still think it is better to avoid anger.

I see posters are still working towards love and harmony in here... 😉

Originally posted by queeq
I see posters are still working towards love and harmony in here... 😉

Well, I have no were to go sense the bar was emptied. 😛

The bar was more fun.

Originally posted by queeq
The bar was more fun.

Did you see in the other thread? I was made to say the E word. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That sounds extreme, to me. The idea that you can attain perfection is false, and can lead to delusion.

* you are just taught to think that perfection is unattainable… I don't know what's the reason but the mere thought of it will just discourage people of doing good…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You found the truth in Christianity is another way of saying you found a church or religion that fits you better. They are both the same thing.

* ah, no… in Christianity, the members are not for convenience… the members might not even like the doctrines of Christianity because of several prohibitions… but the members are staying because they know it's the truth…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What I think you are telling me is to never believe a Catholic. Not all Catholics lie, and not all people who disagree with you are lying.

* oh, for goodness' sake, it's not about them, it's about you… you have that habit of making me a bad person… it's about how you accept and believe something… you should know what doctrine you should accept and believe… I, for one, don't tell you not to believe in catholics, but I'm telling you to read their official doctrine… why? because their official doctrine contains stuffs that contradict what their members believe they actually do… so, once and for all, if you ask, do catholics practice idolatry? read their official doctrine, they are taught to worship Mary and the saints and sometimes even popes, their statues, images and their relics… now, ask a catholic, he will deny, I don't care, what matters in that they were taught to practice idolatry in their official doctrine… that's how I see it…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t care about Catholic doctrine.

* what kind of person are you? you're telling me you're just going to believe whatever stuff a catholic tells you, and blatantly ignoring their official doctrine… now you're telling me you don't even care? then why argue about that topic in the first place? 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
To me, all Christian doctrine is very silly.

* wow…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, if you tell me what you believe, I will accept as how you believe. That is not gullibility.

* a person can tell you what he believes… but that's not the issue… I'm not being personal here… let me tell you this: if a catholic person tells me, he's not worshipping graven images, I will also believe him if he really is not doing it… but the belief of that person does not change the official doctrine created by the head of catholicism, because their doctrine does not, in anyway, prohibit worshipping of graven images… you know now the difference? we both believe what a catholic person says, but you believe that the catholic person you spoke with was speaking for the entire catholicism, which is wrong… I'm just telling you not to rely on that statement because it's clear-cut gullibility… the teaching of a certain religious group will always depend on its official doctrine… that's what you continuously fail to understand time and time again…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It seems to me that Catholics would be an authority on what they believe, and not you.

* yes, not me… but not also them… they can believe they are not practicing idolatry, it's their belief… but what I'm telling you is their official doctrine…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Would you want me to believe what some other religion says about your religion? There are a lot of bad things said on the internet about Eli Soriano. Should I believe them over what you say?

* personal attacks on religious leaders are nonsense… what I'm after is the doctrine… can't you see? I do not stay in my church because of anyone else, not because it fits me, not because I'm convenient… I'm staying because I know it's the truth eventhough they are many difficulties and tribulations… are you trying to tell me that if BUddhism does not fit you, you would leave Buddhism? answer it…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Even taking the bible literally is still an interpretation.

* in the Bible, there are literal and spiritual things… taking all Bible stuff literally is wrong, as much as taking all Bible stuff spiritually is also wrong…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I’m guessing they would say the same thing about your religion.

* yes, they can… but it will only boil down to which doctrine is in accordance with the Bible…

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You do not understand Buddhism, so please, do not bring it up.

* that's what you think… tell you what: you don't understand Christianity, so don't bring it up either… 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I still think it is better to avoid anger.

* I never said it's wrong to avoid anger… I agree with you on that…

Ah too bad... I had hoped I'd broken the cycle. But pJ is rather persistent...

Originally posted by peejayd
* you are just taught to think that perfection is unattainable… I don't know what's the reason but the mere thought of it will just discourage people of doing good…

People should do good because they want too, not because of some idea of perfection.

Originally posted by peejayd
* ah, no… in Christianity, the members are not for convenience… the members might not even like the doctrines of Christianity because of several prohibitions… but the members are staying because they know it's the truth…

“Knowing it’s the truth” I think that is just another way of saying it fits them. The reason I say that is people can find a fit for many reasons. They do not all have to be pleasant. Some people have a need to suffer.

Originally posted by peejayd
* oh, for goodness' sake, it's not about [b]them, it's about you… you have that habit of making me a bad person… it's about how you accept and believe something… you should know what doctrine you should accept and believe… I, for one, don't tell you not to believe in catholics, but I'm telling you to read their official doctrine… why? because their official doctrine contains stuffs that contradict what their members believe they actually do… so, once and for all, if you ask, do catholics practice idolatry? read their official doctrine, they are taught to worship Mary and the saints and sometimes even popes, their statues, images and their relics… now, ask a catholic, he will deny, I don't care, what matters in that they were taught to practice idolatry in their official doctrine… that's how I see it…[/B]

Can you give me the web site for their official doctrine? I looked the subject up on google and posted what I found. I don’t know if what I found was “official” or not, but it went into detail why Catholics do not worship idles. Did you read anything from the site I posted, a few pages back.

Originally posted by peejayd
* what kind of person are you? you're telling me you're just going to believe whatever stuff a catholic tells you, and blatantly ignoring their official doctrine… now you're telling me you don't even care? then why argue about that topic in the first place? 🙄

Let me explain with a story: I have two friends who both love unicorns. One loves all types of unicorns. She lover the ones with wings and horse tails the most. The other friend only likes the unicorns with lion’s tails. The two try to involve me in their friendly dispute about unicorns. I tell them I don’t care. I’m not telling them that I don’t care about them; I’m telling them I don’t care about their unicorn debate. Idolatry is kind of like unicorns to me. Like unicorns, idolatry is made up by humans, and can be whatever we want it to be. So, when you tell me what idolatry is to you, I believe that is how you see it. When a Catholic tells me what idolatry is to them, I believe them. If a Catholic told me about your religion something contrary to what you have told me about your religion, I would not believe them. I know there is blood between Predestines and Catholics, so I don’t generally believe one about the other.

Originally posted by peejayd
* wow…

Get used to it.

Originally posted by peejayd
* a person can tell you what he believes… but that's not the issue… I'm not being personal here… let me tell you this: if a catholic person tells me, he's not worshipping graven images, I will also believe him if he really is not doing it… but the belief of that person does not change the official doctrine created by the head of catholicism, because their doctrine does not, in anyway, prohibit worshipping of graven images… you know now the difference? we both believe what a catholic person says, but you believe that the catholic person you spoke with was speaking for the entire catholicism, which is wrong… I'm just telling you not to rely on that statement because it's clear-cut gullibility… the teaching of a certain religious group will always depend on its official doctrine… that's what you continuously fail to understand time and time again…

But this concept also applies to you.

Originally posted by peejayd
* personal attacks on religious leaders are nonsense… what I'm after is the doctrine… can't you see? I do not stay in my church because of anyone else, not because it fits me, not because I'm convenient… I'm staying because I know it's the truth eventhough they are many difficulties and tribulations… are you trying to tell me that if BUddhism does not fit you, you would leave Buddhism? answer it…

I have already told you that I am not going to answer any questions about Buddhism.

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, they can… but it will only boil down to which doctrine is in accordance with the Bible…

…and that boils down to which interpretation.

Originally posted by queeq
Ah too bad... I had hoped I'd broken the cycle. But pJ is rather persistent...

Join in, and that should kill it cold. 😛

😂

I sometimes do that but for some reason people are not really willing to listen to others' points of views... It's more a rant forum than a debate forum.

Some people excluded of course... like yourself, Shaky.

And even though I am a Christian myself, I think PJ's pov about reavhing perfection in this life is not really founded on what the bible says. In fact, I think it contradicts PJ. But if he think he can attain it: I'd like to see it.

Why does the bible promote mass murder and murder in general so much?

so that souls will go to god faster and not suffer as much on earth.