Lookie lookie:
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
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Everyone Prestons kills, every stinking one, they are standing still, or running towards him, not even trying to take cover. With the exception of the Captain in the first video (Preston missed him, BTW.)
Preston memorized their positions, he based his movements and return fire on the trajectory of the locations that he has memorized (this is the literal definition of Gun Kata), and he pwned them hard.
Now, exhibit C:
Watch the way Hit Girl moves. She is all over the place, she never sticks to one location. She is running, kicking, sliding, flipping, clinging to the wall, dodging bullets. The very way she moves renders Gun Kata useless. Why? Because she has no set location. If she has no set location, Preston cannot predict the trajectory of her incoming fire, or where to fire himself.
I don't know why in the hell you people fail to realize this.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Because her feat would of only worked on that many men, if she took on the amout Preston killed she would have fallen.
Irrelevant. Just because Preston (A) defeated the cops in the hallway (B), and Hit Girl (C) likely loses the aforementioned scenario, It doesn't mean A beats C. One thing has nothing to do with the other. One on one battles and group battles are as different as night and day. On a side note, if the cops in the hallway fight HG the same way they fought Preston, she'll hand them their asses.
Originally posted by Darth MartinNo, she doesn't. This is how Gun Kata works:
She gets her ass kicked.It seems to be general consensus that Batman is a better H2H combatant than Hit Girl and Preston would do him in so.......
1. Cleric memorizes the positions of the shooters.
2. Cleric predicts the trajectory of the ensuing return fire based on his memorization of the shooters locations (and through the analysis of thousands of recorded gunfights.)
3. Cleric positions himself/ moves his body in such a fashion that he avoids getting shot because he is able to predict where the return fire will be. Cleric also returns fire using this same method. Memorization, prediction, execution.
If an opponent moves around like Hit Girl, she is impossible to predict. It is impossible to memorize her location. Take away that, and Preston has no way of knowing the trajectory of her shots, and he must rely on line of sight.
Imagine a Jedi and Sith engaged in combat. Imagine the Sith somehow is able to nullify the Jedis battle precog while retaining his own. This is basically what we have here. Gun Kata is Prestons battle precog, and it is nullified here.
Originally posted by Lestov16No, you sock. I am saying that Prestons ability to memorize her location and predict the trajectory of her incoming fire is nullified. Read what I said 3 posts up.
If I am understanding this correct, RJ is saying that Gun Kata is nullified because Gun Kata requires the opponent to not be agile as shit during combat as Hit Girl is
From another thread:
Originally posted by Robtard
I fail to see where "positions" dictates your BS angle of "gunkata is nullified if someone moves and repositions themselves".Did you see that?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah. And if someone repositions themselves over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad fast as HG can. Preston has zero chance of memorizing her position. It's like trying to get a lock on a much smaller, much faster Jet.No memorization of positioning>No prediction of trajectories. But this thread is about Wesley and Preston, so I digress.
Originally posted by Robtard
If she had superhuman speed, sure, I'd see that. She doesn't; don't keep making her out to be more than she is.This is also the Preston V Wesley, so you should take your epic Hit-Girl masturbation over to that thread.
She doesn't need superhuman speed. The police captain was fast enough, while running away, to throw Prestons aim off. HG is way faster than the captain was.
Boom.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, Rob, he didn't. He took aim, shot, and missed as the captain ran. Preston spun to his left, took aim again, and capped his ass.
Except no. When Preston aimed at him, he hit and killed him. That "miss" you bullshit about, was Preston shooting the other cops left, right and specifically behind that captain.
I don't know what version of Equilibrium you watched, but that's what's on the dvd I have.
Hit-Girl is a smaller more agile target, though not as accurate a shot as Preston.
How ever speed is the real clincher here. While the evidence seems to indicate that Hit-Girl can bullet dodge/time as in evade a bullet once it has left the barrel, making her super humanly fast.
Preston on the other hand was explicitly stated not to dodge the bullets after they were fired, heck he doesn't even dodge the aim of the shooters per se. He more or less knows where people are going to shoot before they do. Like playing chess against some body who thinks 10 moves a head when you barley know how the pieces move.
John's ability to avoid getting shot is in other words not about speed ( though he is fast ), but rather a sort of statistical battle precog. That like statistics applies to most situations.
Unfortunately Hit-Girl is not most situations and is definitely a statistical outlier. Preston's own speed and skill might keep him alive for a while. He may even last longer if he can figure out the patterns in Hit-Girls movements like most good martial artists. Preston did show that he could adapt what he knew to new situations.
In the end if, Hit-Girl is a bullet timer she puts John down.
That said. I don't have a copy of the film and the Youtube video doesn't allow me to investigate the way I'd like. Her hand to hand speed seems to favor the idea that she is not a bullet timer. So I'll just put this out their. If she is an aim dodger rather then a bullet timer things are better for Preston and who ever wins. It ain't gonna be easy for them.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Hit-Girl is a smaller more agile target, though not as accurate a shot as Preston.How ever speed is the real clincher here. While the evidence seems to indicate that Hit-Girl can bullet dodge/time as in evade a bullet once it has left the barrel, making her super humanly fast.
Preston on the other hand was explicitly stated not to dodge the bullets after they were fired, heck he doesn't even dodge the aim of the shooters per se. He more or less knows where people are going to shoot before they do. Like playing chess against some body who thinks 10 moves a head when you barley know how the pieces move.
John's ability to avoid getting shot is in other words not about speed ( though he is fast ), but rather a sort of statistical battle precog. That like statistics applies to most situations.
Unfortunately Hit-Girl is not most situations and is definitely a statistical outlier. Preston's own speed and skill might keep him alive for a while. He may even last longer if he can figure out the patterns in Hit-Girls movements like most good martial artists. Preston did show that he could adapt what he knew to new situations.
In the end if, Hit-Girl is a bullet timer she puts John down.
That said. I don't have a copy of the film and the Youtube video doesn't allow me to investigate the way I'd like. Her hand to hand speed seems to favor the idea that she is not a bullet timer. So I'll just put this out their. If she is an aim dodger rather then a bullet timer things are better for Preston and who ever wins. It ain't gonna be easy for them.
No, John was shown dodging bullets after they were fired from guns in the beginning of his hallway scene.
And, as I've indicated, Hit Girl did not actually dodge bullets at all, as I'll clearly show this weekend. (gotta get the movie on blue ray so I can do a frame by frame and have perfect timing for the rather easy math imma do.)
Also, John is so fast that HG wouldn't even get a shot off. Also, she starts in a straight line, not all flippy.
Also, John is way more agile than HG.
So, all of your points fail:
HG: not a bullet dodger.
HG: Less agile.
HG: Not even close to being as fast as John.
There's not comparison. IMO, this is a spite thread in favor of John and only blind HG fanaticism has caused this thread to last longer than one post.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, John was shown dodging bullets after they were fired from guns in the beginning of his hallway scene.
Show me when.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, as I've indicated, Hit Girl did not actually dodge bullets at all, as I'll clearly show this weekend. (gotta get the movie on blue ray so I can do a frame by frame and have perfect timing for the rather easy math imma do.)
I'll believe it when I see it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, John is so fast that HG wouldn't even get a shot off. Also, she starts in a straight line, not all flippy.Also, John is way more agile than HG.
Really? I don't recall Preston scaling walls or pulling the flips and jumps. Hit Girl did.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, all of your points fail:HG: not a bullet dodger.
HG: Less agile.
HG: Not even close to being as fast as John.
With all do respect. Do you even know what the word agile means? Or understand the difference between aim dodging and bullet timing?
Originally posted by dadudemon
There's not comparison. IMO, this is a spite thread in favor of John and only blind HG fanaticism has caused this thread to last longer than one post.
It might be a good idea for you to re-watch both films as it seems you missed major points in both.