Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Show me when.
It's been posted in the thread already. Just read back. Or, you know, watch the movie.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
I'll believe it when I see it.
To me, it's obvious and I'm surprised no one has pointed it out.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Really? I don't recall Preston scaling walls or pulling the flips and jumps. Hit Girl did.
Right, cause jumping up about 2 feet is such a MASSIVE agility feet and flipping over a large van (taller than all full grown men on site) is soooo much better than what Preston did. 😬
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
With all do respect. Do you even know what the word agile means? Or understand the difference between aim dodging and bullet timing?
Yes, I do, but you obviously don't. You think jumping 2 feet is >>> jumping up and flipping over a 6+ foot obstacle. If that's not blind fanboyism rage...
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
It might be a good idea for you to re-watch both films as it seems you missed major points in both.
Patronizing me doesn't help your failed points, at all: just makes you look like an *ss.
Originally posted by Omega Spawn
CeHrq_Fs1vk&feature=related LOL AND ON SOME OTHER SCENES YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE HIM SPIN OUT OF A BULLETS TRAJECECTORY...Preston FTW
It'll never work: they won't listen as they are HG ragers. AC was right: the HG wankery is rediculous.
Originally posted by dadudemonhaermm He used gun kata, dude, stop making shit up.
It's been posted in the thread already. Just read back. Or, you know, watch the movie.
Right, cause jumping up about 2 feet is such a MASSIVE agility feet and flipping over a large van (taller than all full grown men on site) is soooo much better than what Preston did. 😬Preston jumped off the top of a motorcycle. ✅ And he didn't jump OVER the van, he was never that high. He ran up the motorcycle, flipped, and landed. That's it.
FAIL.
Yes, I do, but you obviously don't. You think jumping 2 feet is >>> jumping up and flipping over a 6+ foot obstacle. If that's not blind fanboyism rage...Again, Preston jumed off the top of a motorcycle. ✅ And he didn't jump OVER the van, he was never that high. He ran up the motorcycle, flipped, and landed. That's it.
FAIL.
It'll never work: they won't listen as they are HG ragers. AC was right: the HG wankery is rediculous.Oh I see, so Preston is the one cleric who does NOT use gun kata yeah? haermm
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm He used gun kata, dude, stop making shit up.
Show me in the movie where gun kata is moving out of the way of many bullets AFTER guns have fired the bullets, please.
I'll tell you what, though: you are like a really crappy gun kata user of debaters. Avoiding points left and right whle firing back with your own points that miss entirely.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston jumped off the top of a motorcycle. ✅ And he didn't jump OVER the van, he was never that high. He ran up the motorcycle, flipped, and landed. That's it.FAIL.
*watches the youtube clips RJ's been spamming*
Fail. He did something even cooler than I remembered. And, you're a damn liar: he jumped ever bit as tall as the van and then some. And I was wrong about the height of the van: it's much taller than 6 feet: it's closer to 8 or 9 feet.
Please show me where HG jumped that high, please.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, Preston jumed off the top of a motorcycle. ✅ And he didn't jump OVER the van, he was never that high. He ran up the motorcycle, flipped, and landed. That's it.FAIL.
Fail. He did something even cooler than I remembered. And, you're a damn liar: he jumped ever bit as tall as the van and then some. And I was wrong about the height of the van: it's much taller than 6 feet: it's closer to 8 or 9 feet.
Please show me where HG jumped that high, please.
So, basically, your counter points boil down to you avoiding the point, completely, and, instead, trying to hid behind me making a mistake.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh I see, so Preston is the one cleric who does NOT use gun kata yeah? haermm
Strawman logical fallacy.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Show me in the movie where gun kata is moving out of the way of many bullets AFTER guns have fired the bullets, please.I'll tell you what, though: you are like a really crappy gun kata user of debaters. Avoiding points left and right whle firing back with your own points that miss entirely.
Preston knows these men, when and where they will fire. He knew exactly when to do his little flip move. Had he NOT known these men, NOT known when and where they would shoot, NOT known exactly what they would do and when they would do it, he would have been killed.
Bullet dodging: When someone moves out of the way AFTER the gun is fired, NOT knowing beforehand where the bullet will be. They see the lead projectile leave the weapon, then move out of the way as it nears them. This is what HG does.
NOT bullet dodging: Knowing where a bullet will be beforehand and moving out of the way after the gun is fired. Now, Preston moved out of the way right as the shooters fired, THAT'S gun kata, my friend.
I am "like a really crappy gun kata user of debaters?" Grammar check? haermm I have proven without a doubt that HG nullifies Prestons Gun Kata. Read on for the ass rape pwnage:
This is how Gun Kata works:
1. Cleric memorizes the positions of the shooters.
2. Cleric predicts the trajectory of the ensuing return fire based on his memorization of the shooters locations (and through the analysis of thousands of recorded gunfights.)
3. Cleric positions himself/ moves his body in such a fashion that he avoids getting shot because he is able to predict where the return fire will be. Cleric also returns fire using this same method. Memorization, prediction, execution.
If an opponent moves around like Hit Girl, she is impossible to predict. It is impossible to memorize her location. Take away that, and Preston has no way of knowing the trajectory of her shots, and he must rely on line of sight.
See? Gun Kata nullified.
See? HG dodges bullets, Preston doesn't.
*watches the youtube clips RJ's been spamming*haermm No, he did not. Look again, he was barely as high as the windshield, AND he jumped off the front of a motorcycle, that added at least 3-4 feet to his jump.Fail. He did something even cooler than I remembered. And, you're a damn liar: he jumped ever bit as tall as the van and then some.
Pwned.
And I was wrong about the height of the van: it's much taller than 6 feet: it's closer to 8 or 9 feet.Please show me where HG jumped that high, please.
He was only about 7 feet high. Take away the 3 to 4 feet from jumping off the motorcycle, and he jumped maybe 4 feet in the air.
HG jumps that high and then some here:
BOOM.
So, basically, your counter points boil down to you avoiding the point, completely, and, instead, trying to hid behind me making a mistake.You're making quite a few mistakes here, bro. 😕
Strawman logical fallacy.Take your medicine, son.
See, here's the thing about Gun Kata. Gun Kata relies on predictability, so if I shoot randomly, or if I have really bad accuracy, a cleric using Gun Kata is screwed. Gun Kata is a crock of shit and is useless in a modern day gunbattle. In a modern day gunfight, people take cover. In the vast majority of cases where people survive gun fights (note the avoidance of the word "win"😉 they do so not by dodging shots but by taking cover. The concept of "statistically traditional trajectories of return fire" is lulz to the extreme.
Sorry man, Gun Kata is a joke, it serves only to give the viewer an ocular orgasm. In "Equilibrium", it only works because both sides, rebel and Clerics alike, display a level of tactical and mental ineptness. They literally stand there and wait to be shot. Want proof?
:10 Preston takes away the cops shotguns and shoots them in the face. The other cops just stare at him for 8 damn seconds saying "what what what?"
At :18, the dumbasses finally return fire.
Then the Captain runs sideways shooting, causing Preston to MISS.
at :28, the other cops get out of their vehicle/s. At :33, two of the cops are standing behind the motorcycles, just standing there, not firing. Preston runs, jumps on top of the bikes, flips in the air, and shoots them. They never raised their weapons, even though they had all the time in the world.
Then, at :37, Preston lands amongst the last six cops and commences blowing them to kingdom come. They had him surrounded, with arms reach, and all they did was sit there and allow themselves to be shot. Not a single one of them raised their weapons.
See the ineptitude? See the idiocy? Those last cops stood around for damn near ten seconds without even attempting to return fire. If those cops had been modern day cops, Preston would have been killed, and quite easily.
Gun Kata is a made up martial art, it doesn't really exist, and if it did it would be useless because in real life anyone could just take cover behind a pillar or a car, or around a corner or something and own Preston with an assault rifle. He could dance and flip away all he likes, but if he were surrounded by 6 well trained Navy Seals, or even six detectives of Riggs and McClane's caliber, he would get wtf pwned in the ass. Hard.
No. Gun Kata is not plausible, it's a ****ing joke.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston knows these men, when and where they will fire. He knew exactly when to do his little flip move. Had he NOT known these men, NOT known when and where they would shoot, NOT known exactly what they would do and when they would do it, he would have been killed.Bullet dodging: When someone moves out of the way AFTER the gun is fired, NOT knowing beforehand where the bullet will be. They see the lead projectile leave the weapon, then move out of the way as it nears them. This is what HG does.
NOT bullet dodging: Knowing where a bullet will be beforehand and moving out of the way after the gun is fired. Now, Preston moved out of the way right as the shooters fired, THAT'S gun kata, my friend.
I am "like a really crappy gun kata user of debaters?" Grammar check? haermm I have proven without a doubt that HG nullifies Prestons Gun Kata. Read on for the ass rape pwnage:
[b]This is how Gun Kata works:
1. Cleric memorizes the positions of the shooters.
2. Cleric predicts the trajectory of the ensuing return fire based on his memorization of the shooters locations (and through the analysis of thousands of recorded gunfights.)
3. Cleric positions himself/ moves his body in such a fashion that he avoids getting shot because he is able to predict where the return fire will be. Cleric also returns fire using this same method. Memorization, prediction, execution.
If an opponent moves around like Hit Girl, she is impossible to predict. It is impossible to memorize her location. Take away that, and Preston has no way of knowing the trajectory of her shots, and he must rely on line of sight.
See? Gun Kata nullified.
See? HG dodges bullets, Preston doesn't.[/B]
You said a whole bunch of stuff just to be completely wrong.
At this point, you're ignoring what was seen on screen.
Anything you say can be ignored as hopeless HG fanboyism.
Fact: Bullet dodging is dodging a bullet AFTER it has been fired from a gun.
Preston did that in a far superior fashion than HG.
Bullet Dodging goes to Preston, by far.
(I just read the first part and the last sentence of your post...if you said something new, let me now. If not, I'll continue to ignore blind fanboyism as that doesn't get anywhere.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm No, he did not. Look again, he was barely as high as the windshield, AND he jumped off the front of a motorcycle, that added at least 3-4 feet to his jump.Pwned.
He was only about 7 feet high. Take away the 3 to 4 feet from jumping off the motorcycle, and he jumped maybe 4 feet in the air.
HG jumps that high and then some here:
BOOM.
No he does not: he's higher than the van.
And no she is not: she barely jumps a couple of feet.
Stop ignoring stuff seen on screen. If this is all you've been reduced to, then stop posting on it.
The fact that Preston is far more agile than HG is a fact. It cannot be argued as her highest jump is pitiful compared to Preston's. You've been reduced to outright denying what is seen on screen.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're making quite a few mistakes here, bro. 😕
Again, avoiding the point. You aren't making any mistakes: you are deliberately avoiding what was seen on screen.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Take your medicine, son.See, here's the thing about Gun Kata. Gun Kata relies on predictability, so if I shoot randomly, or if I have really bad accuracy, a cleric using Gun Kata is screwed. Gun Kata is a crock of shit and is useless in a modern day gunbattle. In a modern day gunfight, people take cover. In the vast majority of cases where people survive gun fights (note the avoidance of the word "win"😉 they do so not by dodging shots but by taking cover. The concept of "statistically traditional trajectories of return fire" is lulz to the extreme.
Sorry man, Gun Kata is a joke, it serves only to give the viewer an ocular orgasm. In "Equilibrium", it only works because both sides, rebel and Clerics alike, display a level of tactical and mental ineptness. They literally stand there and wait to be shot. Want proof?
:10 Preston takes away the cops shotguns and shoots them in the face. The other cops just stare at him for 8 damn seconds saying "what what what?"
At :18, the dumbasses finally return fire.
Then the Captain runs sideways shooting, causing Preston to MISS.
at :28, the other cops get out of their vehicle/s. At :33, two of the cops are standing behind the motorcycles, just standing there, not firing. Preston runs, jumps on top of the bikes, flips in the air, and shoots them. They never raised their weapons, even though they had all the time in the world.
Then, at :37, Preston lands amongst the last six cops and commences blowing them to kingdom come. They had him surrounded, with arms reach, and all they did was sit there and allow themselves to be shot. Not a single one of them raised their weapons.
See the ineptitude? See the idiocy? Those last cops stood around for damn near ten seconds without even attempting to return fire. If those cops had been modern day cops, Preston would have been killed, and quite easily.
Gun Kata is a made up martial art, it doesn't really exist, and if it did it would be useless because in real life anyone could just take cover behind a pillar or a car, or around a corner or something and own Preston with an assault rifle. He could dance and flip away all he likes, but if he were surrounded by 6 well trained Navy Seals, or even six detectives of Riggs and McClane's caliber, he would get wtf pwned in the ass. Hard.
No. Gun Kata is not plausible, it's a ****ing joke.
So a long ass diatribe that is still a strawman, tries to avoid gun kata as a usable power, and has you still not acknowledging that Preston bullet dodged at least once in the movie.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You said a whole bunch of stuff just to be completely wrong.At this point, you're ignoring what was seen on screen.
Anything you say can be ignored as hopeless HG fanboyism.
Fact: Bullet dodging is dodging a bullet AFTER it has been fired from a gun.
Preston did that in a far superior fashion than HG.
Bullet Dodging goes to Preston, by far.
(I just read the first part and the last sentence of your post...if you said something new, let me now. If not, I'll continue to ignore blind fanboyism as that doesn't get anywhere.
No he does not: he's higher than the van.
And no she is not: she barely jumps a couple of feet.
Stop ignoring stuff seen on screen. If this is all you've been reduced to, then stop posting on it.
The fact that Preston is far more agile than HG is a fact. It cannot be argued as her highest jump is pitiful compared to Preston's. You've been reduced to outright denying what is seen on screen.
Again, avoiding the point. You aren't making any mistakes: you are deliberately avoiding what was seen on screen.
So a long ass diatribe that is still a strawman, tries to avoid gun kata as a usable power, and has you still not acknowledging that Preston bullet dodged at least once in the movie.
Counter my points (epic fail thus far on your part) or concede.
Wait, you can't. You can't and you are doing your usual routine of "No, you!!!" in a vain effort to save face. But, in the spirit of friendship, I'll list my points again, I have to at least give you one last chance to address them individually:
1. HG dodges bullets, Preston does not dodge bullets. Preston "dodged" the bullets in the corridor because he knew exactly where they would be before they were fired. How did he know this? For the gazillionth time, because he knows these men, their training, how they shoot, when they shoot, etc; But hey, let's PRETEND that Preston dodged their bullets. Let's PRETEND that he literally saw the bullet leave the barrel, waited for it to near him, then moved his body out of the way (like HG did.) Now, he was at least 30 feet away from those two cops who initially fired on him, and NOT running at them. HG? She was running at her opponents, and dodged TWICE from 5-10 feet away. Now.....HG was running AT the shooters and dodged from a far shorter distance. Yeah, you get it. HG dodges bullets BETTER. ✅
2. If those cops in the corridor had been of McClane/Riggs/HG's caliber, Preston would have been cut down in seconds. Why? Because if you give them a machine gun, they are gonna spray the hallway, they are gonna be on the move as they fire, they are gonna attain cover instead of standing there in one spots like idiots firing back. So, HG is faster than Riggs/Mac, and........yeah, math is good.
3. FACT: Everyone Preston faces, cops and sense offenders alike, are idiots. They KNOW what Preston can do, yet they STILL stand there like automatons, in one spot, firing away. Hell, in the shootout (the dog scene), most of them never even raise their rifles. They stand there, like retards, and are like "Whoa, cool flip!!!" or are like "What, what, what?" FACT: Preston kicks ass ONLY if his opponents fight back like idiots (standing in one spot, not going for cover, shit like that.)
4. Gun Kata is indeed useless in a modern day gun fight. I already proved why in my previous post, read it again.
5. Preston is not as agile as HG, accept it. He jumped off the handlebars of a motorcycle (4 feet high), and achieved a height of maybe 7 feet. So really he only jumped 2-3 feet high. Accept it. He also had a running start. HG, in her hallway shootout, jumped around higher than that without the long running start that he had. What does this tell is? HG is more agile. ✅
6. Gun Kata is rendered useless by HG. Why? Already covered it.
You have two choices:
A: Counter points 1-6 individually.
B: Concede.
Your call.