Hit Girl (kick ass) vs. John Preston (Equilibrium)

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Just because Batman has a poor choreographer doesn't mean he isn't a martial arts master. There is no way that some basic cop and little girl could beat him. Lets leave the Dark Knight out of this.

I have to agree with, Robtard on this one. Hit-girl got her ass beat down in the melee department. As for gun combat...,I don't know how affective Gun Kata would be against Hit-girl. She is totally un-predictable but the evidence still remains as such...,Hit girl killed half wit thugs and Preston killed life long trained clerics.

Little girl? haermm

Average cop? crylaugh

No. Preston killed cops. Those guys in black were just cops. I argued once that they were clerics and I got pwned. I think it was Rob who pwned me.

Just cops, not clerics. If they were clerics, why didn't they do gun kata? Hmm?

Thought so.

lol @ Hit-Girl getting her ass kicked by a dude who's skill has never shown to have a limit or low-showing.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
lol @ Hit-Girl getting her ass kicked by a dude who's skill has never shown to have a limit or low-showing.

Let's get some shit straight:

All of Preston's impressive gunfight feats came against guys who were standing still. The one time one of his opponents decided to run and shoot at the same time (the dog in the trunk scene), Preston missed and had to shoot twice. Hit Girl jumps around like a damn spider monkey hopped up on crack, Preston has never, not once, fought someone who can move and shoot at the same time like her.

Hit Girl is faster. Yes, she is. To deny this is lunacy.

Hit Girl is smaller, therefore presenting less of a target for Preston.

Hit Girl wears kevlar, Preston needs a head shot to do her in, while Hit Girl can down Preston with a body shot.

Hit Girl dodges bullets. Observe:

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First bullet dodge at 1:29. She sees the bullet coming, moves her head to the left, and the bullet trail shows the bullet whizzing by where her head was.

Second bullet dodge at 1:41, same thing, from ten feet away.

Not to mention the twirly pistol reload thing she does at 1:35.

Face it, the only thing Preston has on Hit Girl is Gun Kata, and with the way Hit Girl moves, it's nowhere near as effective. Proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_%28film%29#Gun_Kata

Gun Kata is a fictional gun-fighting martial art discipline that is a significant part of the film. It is based upon the premise that, given the positions of the participants in a gun battle, the trajectories of fire are statistically predictable. By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target. By the same token, the trajectories of incoming fire are also statistically predictable, so by assuming the appropriate stance, one can keep one's body clear of the most likely way of enemy bullets.

POSITIONS....Hit Girl is not going to be in a position, dude. She is gonna be all over the place.

Next question?

Robtard maybe right when it comes to h2h combat and such, but fact is this is a pistol to pistol hallway battle. Now, although Preston is the cleric of all clerics, Hit-Girls shots were pretty dead on. As I recall, it took no more then 1 shot to take each dude down. Now, although a soldier/cleric she may not be, she'd definately be a harder target to hit because of her size, plus the fact still remains that she was shown dodging bullets.

Originally posted by six6six
Robtard maybe right when it comes to h2h combat and such, but fact is this is a pistol to pistol hallway battle. Now, although Preston is the cleric of all clerics, Hit-Girls shots were pretty dead on. As I recall, it took no more then 1 shot to take each dude down. Now, although a soldier/cleric she may not be, she'd definately be a harder target to hit because of her size, plus the fact still remains that she was shown dodging bullets.

And yeah, if this goes H2H or blade to blade, Hit Girl is in trouble.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Losta stuff

What does any of that have to do with me? All I said was that Hit-Girl getting her ass kicked by the mob boss was hardly a low showing for her because we have no idea how good that dude was. If anything, I was supporting your stance here.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
What does any of that have to do with me? All I said was that Hit-Girl getting her ass kicked by the mob boss was hardly a low showing for her because we have no idea how good that dude was. If anything, I was supporting your stance here.

Nothing.

Next question.

BTW, the "lotsa stuff" ended this thread.

Next question?

You do realise he was on your side, right? 😬

After watching that fight above again, I'm forced to admit... that did look an awful lot like bullet dodging. 🙁 I could claim that it was merely creative use of cuts to make it look like that but now I'm too listless and depressed.

Another factor in the fight, John's been trained to fight, kill and counter grown adult fighter, and he's reliant on trajectory prediction etc. Hit-Girls size might screw up his Gun-kata.

Shit, I was at work and posting in a hurry. Apologies, Blax.

I was off soda for the first time ever, gimmee a break.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, Preston missed SEVERAL times 🙄

I think HG is faster and more agile than he is. Also, corny as it is, she did the Agent Zero throw the gun in the air flippy thing and reloaded. To me, that shows she is better with a gun.

She can flip a gun in the air and reload...that doesn't mean she's better...I could learn to do that and that would have no affect on my aim in any way. Preston may have missed several times (haven't seen it in a while) BUT hit girl missed more than several shots. Who did he miss to? Cause if it was someone with his abilities then I can see why he would miss. Agile, maybe. Faster I'm not so sure, she got her ass kicked by Frank D'Amico, if she was so fast and agile she woulda been able to beat him someway. I'm willing to bet Preston has better H2H skills (should it come down to that) than HG. I'm also willing to be he's faster than her...as for agile I don't know. I can only remember so much of equilibrium.

Originally posted by steverules_2
She can flip a gun in the air and reload...that doesn't mean she's better...

It shows she is better at handling a pistol.

I could learn to do that and that would have no affect on my aim in any way.

Preston may have missed several times (haven't seen it in a while) BUT hit girl missed more than several shots.

Who did he miss to? Cause if it was someone with his abilities then I can see why he would miss.

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Agile, maybe.

Faster I'm not so sure, she got her ass kicked by Frank D'Amico, if she was so fast and agile she woulda been able to beat him someway.

I'm willing to bet Preston has better H2H skills (should it come down to that) than HG. I'm also willing to be he's faster than her...as for agile I don't know. I can only remember so much of equilibrium.

No, he is not faster.

No, he is not as agile.

I think he'd need to be pretty agile to dodge bullets which he does and I'm pretty sure he'd have to be fast as well, I mean sure hit girl dodge bullets to the head but Preston dodges bullets that aren't just aimed at his head. Are you sure he shot several times? I couldn't really count the number of bullets he fired, seemed like 3 to me but I may be wrong 😬 Preston took out the police WAY better than hit girl did taking out those thugs and I'm pretty sure she missed more than Preston did. Plus she was ready for the thugs, preston didn't exactly have any plan made up to take out the police who just suddenly showed up.

Originally posted by steverules_2
I think he'd need to be pretty agile to dodge bullets which he does and I'm pretty sure he'd have to be fast as well, I mean sure hit girl dodge bullets to the head but Preston dodges bullets that aren't just aimed at his head.

facepalm Preston does not dodge bullets.

Are you sure he shot several times? I couldn't really count the number of bullets he fired, seemed like 3 to me but I may be wrong 😬

Preston took out the police WAY better than hit girl did taking out those thugs and I'm pretty sure she missed more than Preston did. Plus she was ready for the thugs, preston didn't exactly have any plan made up to take out the police who just suddenly showed up.

No.

Hit Girl is better, end of discussion.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
facepalm Preston does not dodge bullets.

He missed a man in plain view from ten feet away, that's all that matters.

Really? Did he dodge bullets? Did he use a yoyo as a weapon? Did he use butcher knives?

No.

Hit Girl is better, end of discussion.

I seem to remember him dodging bullets start of the film in a room.

I don't recall a yoyo being used. He never used butcher knife because he never needed to use one...he never ran out of Ammo, she did.

He missed ONE man, she missed multiple guys and they weren't running.

Preston...would wipe the floor with hit girl. She really, really would not win.

Originally posted by steverules_2
I seem to remember him dodging bullets start of the film in a room.

I don't recall a yoyo being used. He never used butcher knife because he never needed to use one...he never ran out of Ammo, she did.

He missed ONE man, she missed multiple guys and they weren't running.

Preston...would wipe the floor with hit girl. She really, really would not win.

No, Preston stood stock still.

Yes, she used a yoyo.

Hit Girl is smaller than a man, much smaller, and is way fafster and more agile. She also wears kevlar. Preston needs to score e head shot to win. Hit Girl only needs a chest shot. Do the math, advantage HG.

Watch this vid, Preston misses a shitload of shots. Proof? Look at the bullets hitting the walls behind his targets:

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Bong.

No, HG rapes Preston. Screen feats prove this. Screen feats>>>>Opinion.

Like I said I haven't seen it in a while, but what he just showed there was WAY more impressive that what hit girl did...he took out all those guys and didn't even need to dodge any of their shots...he took them all out relatively quickly. Now hit girl...she was ready and everything and still got pinned down, did preston need saving there? No he didn't. Did preston just take down a whole load more guards than hit girl did thugs? Yes he did. Did Preston have any trouble taking them down? No he did not.

Lets try with hit girl. Did she need saving? Yes she did. Did she take down more thugs than Preston did guards? No she did not. Did HG have trouble taking them down? She managed to take them all down but one before she ran out of bullets.

Think that kinda says it all there. Preston would kill HG before she could even fire a round or even know what was happening. Preston just showed more skill there than HG did the whole movie.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

No. Preston killed cops. Those guys in black were just cops. I argued once that they were clerics and I got pwned. I think it was Rob who pwned me.

Just cops, not clerics. If they were clerics, why didn't they do gun kata? Hmm?

Thought so.

He fought/killed more of the military-police guys.

But he also killed other clerics. Sean Bean, Tay Diggs, The Father guy and the ones in the dojo. All were clerics.

Hit girls isn't beating him, Preston can literrally avoid any shot she fires while returning fire himself. Her dodging one bullet up close from a goon doesn't equate to her dodging twin automatics.

Put Hit-Girl in that Equillibrium hallwall scene; she goes down in a hail of machine-gun fire, though she'd kill some first. Put Preston in any Hit-Girl scene, he gunkatas the shit out of everyone.

All of you pedophiles really need to lay off of the Hit Girl fantasy.

There is no effing way Hit Girl is going to out shoot Preston. The guy did some serious gun kata and wiped the floor with TRAINED fighters, not some average-joe gansters who have, basically, zero training in h2h combat and marksmanship.

Hit Girl got her ass handed to her by a mob boss who, in fact, would get his ass sliced into ground chuck by any one of the Clerics that Preston wiped out with ease. The only reason that Hit Girl "won" is because Kick Ass came soaring in via a jetpack with the god awful Elvis music.

And for all of you who are fondling your ball bags to the notion of Kevlar shielding, you really shouldn't be. Kevlar, yes, is some durable shit, but we all saw how Hit Girl went down, stunned and fazed, when her dad shot her at almost point blank range.

Preston is faster, more agile, and is, by far, a better fighter and marksman. A few well aimed shots to the torso, if he doesn't aim for the head (size be damned), will incapacitate her, then he can finish her at his leisure.

Exactly! Hit girl is loosing here, there is no way that she is beating preston. RJ's vid showed that Preston missed some shots yes...but it also showed how much of a badass he is and showed that he would easily take down hit girl.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Exactly! Hit girl is loosing here, there is no way that she is beating preston. RJ's vid showed that Preston missed some shots yes...but it also showed how much of a badass he is and showed that he would easily take down hit girl.

He doesn't really miss, if you watch that particular scene, he's spraying bullets, so while some shots do hit the wall, he's still hitting/killing the target first.

If anything, he's a bullet waster in that scene; in the end, the target's still full of lead.

As far as RJ's claim that Hit-Girl's more agile, I'm not so sure. He's a ****ing ninja in this scene:

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