RJ's even claiming that she'd lose to Riggs...she'd lose to Riggs. But yeah she would lose to Preston, he managed to flip those guns around and use them on the guards...they never even had time to do anything he was so quick. HG loses here and badly, whatever RJ has to say about HG in the end none of it compares to what Preston could and would do. The only thing that would probably hold him back is the fact that she's a kid but since his life is in danger he would get the job done.
Originally posted by steverules_2I said no such thing, *******. Get your head outta your ass and pay attention.
RJ's even claiming that she'd lose to Riggs...she'd lose to Riggs. But yeah she would lose to Preston, he managed to flip those guns around and use them on the guards...they never even had time to do anything he was so quick. HG loses here and badly, whatever RJ has to say about HG in the end none of it compares to what Preston could and would do. The only thing that would probably hold him back is the fact that she's a kid but since his life is in danger he would get the job done.
She most certainly does not lose, she wins easily. I've posted proof of this, stop trolling and accept it. Gun kata is Prestons greatest weapon, and it is useless here.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by RobtardAaaaaaaaahahahahaha no. In the final shootout scene, in the hallway, There are guys at the end of the hall, and when he shoots them, there are a shitload of bullet holes in the wall behind them. Also, he missed that one guy from ten feet away. his miss/hit ratio was way out there.
He doesn't really miss, if you watch that particular scene, he's spraying bullets, so while some shots do hit the wall, he's still hitting/killing the target first.If anything, he's a bullet waster in that scene; in the end, the target's still full of lead.
As far as RJ's claim that Hit-Girl's more agile, I'm not so sure. He's a ****ing ninja in this scene:
HG is more agile, don't be a douche.
Originally posted by Impediment
All of you pedophiles really need to lay off of the Hit Girl fantasy.There is no effing way Hit Girl is going to out shoot Preston. The guy did some serious gun kata and wiped the floor with TRAINED fighters, not some average-joe gansters who have, basically, zero training in h2h combat and marksmanship.
Hit Girl got her ass handed to her by a mob boss who, in fact, would get his ass sliced into ground chuck by any one of the Clerics that Preston wiped out with ease. The only reason that Hit Girl "won" is because Kick Ass came soaring in via a jetpack with the god awful Elvis music.
And for all of you who are fondling your ball bags to the notion of Kevlar shielding, you really shouldn't be. Kevlar, yes, is some durable shit, but we all saw how Hit Girl went down, stunned and fazed, when her dad shot her at almost point blank range.
Preston is faster, more agile, and is, by far, a better fighter and marksman. A few well aimed shots to the torso, if he doesn't aim for the head (size be damned), will incapacitate her, then he can finish her at his leisure.
Oh Mattie, you silly bastard:
Originally posted by Rogue JediFace it, the only thing Preston has on Hit Girl is Gun Kata, and with the way Hit Girl moves, it's nowhere near as effective. Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_%28film%29#Gun_Kata
Gun Kata is a fictional gun-fighting martial art discipline that is a significant part of the film. It is based upon the premise that, given [b]the positions of the participants
in a gun battle, the trajectories of fire are statistically predictable. By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target. By the same token, the trajectories of incoming fire are also statistically predictable, so by assuming the appropriate stance, one can keep one's body clear of the most likely way of enemy bullets.POSITIONS....Hit Girl is not going to be in a position, dude. She is gonna be all over the place.
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Yeah, Gun Kata is useless here.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let's get some shit straight:All of Preston's impressive gunfight feats came against guys who were standing still. The one time one of his opponents decided to run and shoot at the same time (the dog in the trunk scene), Preston missed and had to shoot twice. Hit Girl jumps around like a damn spider monkey hopped up on crack, Preston has never, not once, fought someone who can move and shoot at the same time like her.
Hit Girl is faster. Yes, she is. To deny this is lunacy.
Hit Girl is smaller, therefore presenting less of a target for Preston.
Hit Girl wears kevlar, Preston needs a head shot to do her in, while Hit Girl can down Preston with a body shot.
Hit Girl dodges bullets. Observe:
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First bullet dodge at 1:29. She sees the bullet coming, moves her head to the left, and the bullet trail shows the bullet whizzing by where her head was.
Second bullet dodge at 1:41, same thing, from ten feet away.
Not to mention the twirly pistol reload thing she does at 1:35.
Face it, the only thing Preston has on Hit Girl is Gun Kata, and with the way Hit Girl moves, it's nowhere near as effective. Proof:
This is all hard core concrete evidence that HG wins this fight, why are you trolling?
She's faster, more agile, is a way smaller target, has a higher hit/miss ratio, and is totally unpredictable in her movements. All of the training Preston did is useless because he will not be able to predict where she will be, and she will not be standing still like the douchebags he killed.
Challenge time!!! Show me a scene where Preston shot at and killed a fast mover like HG.
That's right, none of you can.
Hell, Preston had trouble hitting a slow moving cop in full gear. 🙄
Yeah, gunkata allows him to position his body accordingly, so if Hit-girl moves left, right, back etc to fire, he'll position himself. Also, she's not dodging twin automatics, don't be a tool.
Like I said, put her in that hallway scene, those 20-something machine guns are taking her down. Put Preston in any fight she's been in, he obliterates. That should be proof enough of who's the more lethal/better combatant.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hell, Preston had trouble hitting a slow moving cop in full gear. 🙄
Wrong.
1) He had multiple men firing at him; he had zero cover
2) He didn't miss the leader-cop, he shot someone else @ 00:24-25
3) When he aimed at the leader-cop 3 seconds later, he kills him @ 00:27-28
Now looking at the scene you posted, Hit-Girl missed several times. Yet that's okay in your book.
More examples of the differences in skill level:
Preston doesn't need nightvision goggles to kill a room full of people. She does.
Preston doesn't need to take cover during a fight. She does.
Preston doesn't wear body-armor. She does.
Preston fights military-like police and other Clerics. Hit-Girl fights thugs, meth-heads and hookers.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I said no such thing, *******. Get your head outta your ass and pay attention.She most certainly does not lose, she wins easily. I've posted proof of this, stop trolling and accept it. Gun kata is Prestons greatest weapon, and it is useless here.
Deal with it.
Hey, hey, hey...no need for name calling, I just misread a post from earlier thats all
I'm not trolling I'm just posting my reasons as to why he would win, how the hell does that mean I'm trolling dude? I'm saying preston wins here because he's shown greater skill than HG has.
Were all the thugs that she killed moving? Did she ever hit a moving target? I think not 🙂 You showed her killing a few thugs and then thats your reason for her winning...cause she killed a few thugs and dodged one or two bullets? Preston, managed to kill all those guards, they had guns...they could have tried to kill him but they weren't able to. I don't recall preston getting his ass kicked in that film. He missed a moving cop, hit girl missed some thugs who were standing still so I really don't see that point. Plus she has less ammo and less thugs so obviously she wouldn't have had to fire as many bullets as him. Hit girl got her ass kicked by the mob boss Frank...Preston is most likely trained waaaaaaaaaaay better than Frank, plus Preston never got his ass beat in H2H in the film or at all. This isn't trolling this debating.
RJ, if anyone is trolling, it's you. Quit re-posting the same argument over and over and actually debate. Also, the name calling stops now, else it's a warning for you.
And you're still wrong. Hit Girl got her ass handed to her by a mob boss. M'kay? A mob boss with semi-fighting skills. Preston would kill the mob boss as quickly as he did Taye Diggs. Guns, gun kata, and superior fighting skills, with strength and speed, equal an easy win for Bale-Man.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, gunkata allows him to position his body accordingly, so if Hit-girl moves left, right, back etc to fire, he'll position himself. Also, she's not dodging twin automatics, don't be a tool.
Prestons Gun Kata is only shown being effective on stationary targets. HG will not be stationary. Gun Kata is next to useless here. Read the description I posted. For the last time, the one time one of Prestons opponents decided to move and shoot at the same time, Preston had to shoot twice to kill him.
Like I said, put her in that hallway scene, those 20-something machine guns are taking her down. Put Preston in any fight she's been in, he obliterates. That should be proof enough of who's the more lethal/better combatant.Yeah, because she does not employ Gun Kata. Just because person A (Preston) beats person B (Hall guards), then B (hall guards) beats C (HG), that doesn't mean A (Preston) beats C (HG).
Preston was able to use his gun kata with full effectiveness against those hallway guards because they were standing still and firing on him. Preston, when able to use Gun Kata with maximum effectiveness, is next to unstoppable. Thing is, HG, with her speed, agility and mobility, nullifies this.
One more time:
Face it, the only thing Preston has on Hit Girl is Gun Kata, and with the way Hit Girl moves, it's nowhere near as effective. Proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equili...ilm%29#Gun_Kata
Gun Kata is a fictional gun-fighting martial art discipline that is a significant part of the film. It is based upon the premise that, given the positions of the participants in a gun battle, the trajectories of fire are statistically predictable. By pure memorization of the positions, one can fire at the most likely location of an enemy without aiming at him in the traditional sense of pointing a gun at a specific target. By the same token, the trajectories of incoming fire are also statistically predictable, so by assuming the appropriate stance, one can keep one's body clear of the most likely way of enemy bullets.
POSITIONS....Hit Girl is not going to be in a position, dude. She is gonna be all over the place.
I asked for someone earlier to show me a scene where Preston shot at and killed a fast mover like HG.
No one did.
Because he didn't.
See?
Originally posted by Impediment
RJ, if anyone is trolling, it's you. Quit re-posting the same argument over and over and actually debate. Also, the name calling stops now, else it's a warning for you.And you're still wrong. Hit Girl got her ass handed to her by a mob boss. M'kay? A mob boss with semi-fighting skills. Preston would kill the mob boss as quickly as he did Taye Diggs. Guns, gun kata, and superior fighting skills, with strength and speed, equal an easy win for Bale-Man.
My argument is as follows:
HG is faster. HG is more agile.
HG DODGES BULLETS.
HG's mobility nullifies Gun Kata.
These are all facts shown onscreen, but they are going ignored, because no one can accept the fact that Preston loses to a little girl.
When I post my argument and it goes ignored, what am I supposed to do?
EVERYTHING onscreen shows that HG wins this fight, dude.
And what the hell does HG losing a h2h fight have to do with her gun skills? Of course she loses h2h here, that's a no brainer.
From Wiki:
"The character John Preston (Christian Bale) demonstrates this technique in Kurt Wimmer's Equilibrium (2002). Wimmer made gun fu literally a martial art—"Gun Kata"—within the world of Equilibrium. Preston also has special devices mounted into his sleeves/wrists that feed the magazines smoothly into the weapon, but the gun kata itself provides him with optimum firing angles as well as defensive postures, which means he hits his targets and rarely gets hit."
^
And you're completely wrong. The guys in the hallway were moving, you see some of them moving forward to shoot, some move right, some move left, some move behind pillars to shoot etc.
Gunkata does not state that the opponent(s) need to stay perfectly still in order for it to be effective. Considering Preston does shoot and kill moving targets, your angle to weasel a win here is proved faulty.
He constantly adjust his positon to his opponent(s), while simultaneously returning firing and killing. This is how gunkata works, as we see.
In the end, anything Hit-Girl can do, Preston has surpassed with his feats.
Originally posted by steverules_2Nah, you are ignoring the facts and evidence I am throwing at you. That's trolling.
Hey, hey, hey...no need for name calling, I just misread a post from earlier thats allI'm not trolling I'm just posting my reasons as to why he would win, how the hell does that mean I'm trolling dude? I'm saying preston wins here because he's shown greater skill than HG has.
Were all the thugs that she killed moving? Did she ever hit a moving target? I think not 🙂 You showed her killing a few thugs and then thats your reason for her winning...cause she killed a few thugs and dodged one or two bullets?See? you haven't even paid attention to my argument. And now Mattie has decreed that I cannot repost them. You ignore them, I can't repeat them, looks like I am up the creek.
Preston, managed to kill all those guards, they had guns...they could have tried to kill him but they weren't able to.Already covered this, read my posts.
I don't recall preston getting his ass kicked in that film. He missed a moving cop, hit girl missed some thugs who were standing still so I really don't see that point. Plus she has less ammo and less thugs so obviously she wouldn't have had to fire as many bullets as him. Hit girl got her ass kicked by the mob boss Frank...Preston is most likely trained waaaaaaaaaaay better than Frank, plus Preston never got his ass beat in H2H in the film or at all. This isn't trolling this debating.
Last time: What does HG losing a h2h battle have to do with her gun skills?
Nothing.
Originally posted by Robtard
^And you're completely wrong. The guys in the hallway were moving, you see some of them moving forward to shoot, some move behind pillars and shoot etc.
Gunkata does not stay that the opponent need to stay perfectly still in order for it to be effective. Considering Preston does shoot and kill moving targets, it is simple so.
He constantly adjuest his positon to his opponent(s), while simultaneously returning firing and killing.
They weren't hopping around like Yoda, were they? This is what HG does.
Behind pillars? ZOMG Preston can bend bullets!!! haermm
They were in the same general area the entire time, firing away like noob idiots.
Preston constantly adjusts his position to avoid getting hit, but this all depends on him knowing exactly where his opponent is firing from. Do I really need to repeat that HG will be all over the place?
Think of it like this: Think of Prestons Gun Kata as a surveillance system, and think of HG's speed and agility as a chaff grenade.
Originally posted by Impediment
From Wiki:"The character John Preston (Christian Bale) demonstrates this technique in Kurt Wimmer's Equilibrium (2002). Wimmer made gun fu literally a martial art—"Gun Kata"—within the world of Equilibrium. Preston also has special devices mounted into his sleeves/wrists that feed the magazines smoothly into the weapon, but the gun kata itself provides him with optimum firing angles as well as defensive postures, which means he hits his targets and rarely gets hit."
Stationary targets, Mattie. Show me one that moved like HG, with her speed and agility. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Originally posted by ImpedimentDoesn't say shit, it SHOWS it in the movie.
The Gun Kata gives Preston the advantage in spades.Where does it specify that the opponents who are moving nullify the technique of Gun Fu?
The one time a guy moved more than a step or two this way or that, Preston missed. Fact.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, you are ignoring the facts and evidence I am throwing at you. That's trolling.See? you haven't even paid attention to my argument. And now Mattie has decreed that I cannot repost them. You ignore them, I can't repeat them, looks like I am up the creek.
Already covered this, read my posts.
Last time: What does HG losing a h2h battle have to do with her gun skills?
Nothing.
I wasn't ignoring the facts, I was saying that the facts stated about HG wouldn't help her at all. If I was trolling I woulda been the one threatened with a warning about it.
I saw what you posted...but I still think that Preston is more experienced. If HG was the better out of the two then sure I would admit that...doesn't matter that she's a little girl or not...she still loses to Preston. He's better than her...simply put.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They weren't hopping around like Yoda, were they? This is what HG does.Behind pillars? ZOMG Preston can bend bullets!!! haermm
They were in the same general area the entire time, firing away like noob idiots.
Preston constantly adjusts his position to avoid getting hit, but this all depends on him knowing exactly where his opponent is firing from. Do I really need to repeat that HG will be all over the place?
Think of it like this: Think of Prestons Gun Kata as a surveillance system, and think of HG's speed and agility as a chaff grenade.
They weren't and she wasn't either.
Don't be an idiot. You see some of them move behind the pillars and come out the other side. As well as left, right etc. Face it, you're wrong.
This is not a factor Gunkata relies on, you're trying to imply it does, so you can weasel a win.
And his training allows him to adjust to her movements. When she fires, he simply will not be in the line of fire and he can return fire while avoiding.
No. As shown, his feats are better than hers.
Originally posted by steverules_2
I wasn't ignoring the facts, I was saying that the facts stated about HG wouldn't help her at all. If I was trolling I woulda been the one threatened with a warning about it.I saw what you posted...but I still think that Preston is more experienced. If HG was the better out of the two then sure I would admit that...doesn't matter that she's a little girl or not...she still loses to Preston. He's better than her...simply put.
So it's "Preston, big bad cleric, HG, little girl in purple", yeah? 🙄
See, you "think", think in one hand and crap in the other, see which one fills up first. While you go on "thinking", the facts and evidence I have presented but cannot repeat prove that HG kills Preston.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Doesn't say shit, it SHOWS it in the movie.The one time a guy moved more than a step or two this way or that, Preston missed. Fact.
False.
You only assume this. Moving targets will not hinder Preston's abilities.
Keep spinning the wheel. Maybe it will land on something that will validate your argument.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So it's "Preston, big bad cleric, HG, little girl in purple", yeah? 🙄See, you "think", think in one hand and crap in the other, see which one fills up first. While you go on "thinking", the facts and evidence I have presented but cannot repeat prove that HG kills Preston.
There have been two different video's shown where Preston has shown his skills and I'm sure there are more, you posted one video of HG taking out some thugs. Thats all you're basing it upon...because she moved and dodged two bullets. I want you to show me a video clip where preston gets shot...he took on a room full of cards...all had guns, not one of them could hit him. HG...was in a room fulls of thugs, sure she didn't get hit. BUT, there were less thugs than there were guards, now HG did manage to dodge some bullets sure, I'm not denying that. But the matter of the fact is that Preston managed to move fast enough so that the police and guards couldn't shoot him, HG showed nothing like that. So my point being is that preston would shoot her before she even managed to fire a shot and need I remind you that Preston had two guns pointed at his head and still managed to move quickly enough to flip the guns and shoot the police. The facts and evidence that I and other posters have presented prove that HG wins despite the facts and evidence that you have presented.
Originally posted by Impediment
False.You only assume this.
Keep spinning the wheel. Maybe it will land on something that will validate your argument.
False? False how? It's right there in the movie. Prestons Gun Kata is only greatly effective when firing at stationary targets. My argument is rick solid, you're just ignoring it.
How many times must I ask to be shown Preston using Gun Kata and winning against someone like HG, with her speed and agility? A bullet dodger? There is none.