DS Bastila Shan vs. ROTS Obi-Wan Kenobi

Started by Advent11 pages

Will do, Blaxidarling.

And ask me how I'll sleep at night.

My reply? "Like a baby".

Turning the chat towards you, weren't you suppose to be out on a ledge somewhere?

I pussied out. The concept of never being able to talk to the insightful and wise fellows on KMC is something I can't handle.

How do you sleep at night, you witch?!

In a slightly unrelated to cursing your name spirit, how's life? Last time I talked to you, you were doing the college by day party like it's 1999 by night live style, haha.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I pussied out. The concept of never being able to talk to the insightful and wise fellows on KMC is something I can't handle.

Yeah, I'd miss S_W Legend that much, too.

In a slightly unrelated to cursing your name spirit, how's life? [/B]

"Meh" best describes the situation (philosophically-speaking, that seems to be the best answer). I have one of those "Attended the American Educational System for Two Decades and All I Got Was This Crappy Job at Target!" bumper stickers now. To even get the job, I had to use a friend's pee to pass...I don't think I even learned that trick in school either.

Things seem to be working out fine for the time being, though, just need to get a few things lined up, so 'tis all good - I could be living under Sharia law in Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that, so I tend to not get down that much, particularly considering I could poison my parent's virtually ritualistic sashimi meals at any time and get inheritance money; preferably wasting it all on publishing a ghost-written, ginned-up, talking-point memo book about why liberals are destroying America: a guaranteed best-seller.

How about yourself? Since you're still alive and at least have the hand and some brain functionality (who knows about the rest), all goes well, I hope?

Eh, still a brown person and a detrimental pimple on the ass of society, for the most part.

Kinda in a similar boat as you; I graduated from High School last year, and there's very few people looking to hire, though in my case, a kid with no work experience and a D- grade average logically isn't very desirable to a hiring manager, lol. Fortunately there are some people who have use for a 6'5 250 black guy who looks good in a suit, so, I've got a promising future in the world of minimum wage security work.

I've got a license and a car, which is nice, and am kicking ass in College, which is also nice. Hope to eventually get my degree in computer science so that I too can get paid $70 an hour to tell people that their power plug wasn't plugged in, or that the switch on their power strip has to be in the "ON" position in order for it to receive power. You know, stuff that, obviously, only one who's toiled through years of rigorous IT training can figure out through power of observation.

Aside from that, not really doin' much of anything tbh, lol. Chilling with friends and trying unsuccesfully to convince women that "he's really good at Starcraft" is a viable point to bring up in their I-lost-my-virginity-last-night discussion with their girlfriends takes up most of my free time. If you don't mind me asking, what major did you pursue?

Oh and also, for more recent news, my four wisdom teeth were taken out on Monday, so I'm so doped up right now that I make Heath Ledger look like a straight edge (too soon?!), and get hourly visits from that little rat thing who was Jabba's pet. He gives great head.

Well then.....

Uh-oh, have we broken your "KMC is not a feelings diary" Beefington?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Uh-oh, have we broken your "KMC is not a feelings diary" Beefington?
No, that response was to advent's well thought out novel to my 1-2 questions.

Advents post should be put in the Holocron thingy. And praised for all time! Unknown my donkey!

the problem with listing all of those force powers and calling them "canon" is the fact that they are NOT in fact canon that Bastilla knew them. She had access to whatever force powers you, the player, gave her. If you never bothered to level her, she had very few.

We have been over this more times than I can count. Even our newest and most naive members learn this within a few days.

Advent, you know better.

it only suprises me that 2 people agree with you. DE of course, because he is daft, but someone else does too?

This will be my only post on the matter.

Originally posted by truejedi
the problem with listing all of those force powers and calling them "canon" is the fact that they are NOT in fact canon that Bastilla knew them. She had access to whatever force powers you, the player, gave her. If you never bothered to level her, she had very few.

We have been over this more times than I can count. Even our newest and most naive members learn this within a few days.

Advent, you know better.

it only suprises me that 2 people agree with you. DE of course, because he is daft, but someone else does too?

This will be my only post on the matter.

I think she means that Bastila has access to these abilities after you lost control of her, so when she went to the Dark Side.

the problem with listing all of those force powers and calling them "canon" is the fact that they are NOT in fact canon that Bastilla knew them. She had access to whatever force powers you, the player, gave her. If you never bothered to level her, she had very few.

This is Dark Side Bastila after Malak converts her. She always has the same Force powers and they can't be changed. It's 100% canon that these were the ones she knew. Thats why I said they were 'fixed'.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is Dark Side Bastila after Malak converts her. She always has the same Force powers and they can't be changed. It's 100% canon that these were the ones she knew. Thats why I said they were 'fixed'.

and where are all of those abilities listed? Wikipedia is not a source.

and where does it say she was in any way skilled with those abilities? Wikipedia is not a source.

I see this battle ending, like 95 percent of battles do between sith and jedi, with lightsabers, where bastilla won't be able to compete.

Unless I'm mistaken, she listed the Canon sources for me. Otherwise I wouldn't have dropped the matter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is Dark Side Bastila after Malak converts her. She always has the same Force powers and they can't be changed. It's 100% canon that these were the ones she knew. Thats why I said they were 'fixed'.
The problem with this logic is, she was a dark Jedi for a few weeks at best and so we can't logically consider the new powers.

and where are all of those abilities listed? Wikipedia is not a source.

In the game. Those are the abilities she can use against you in her fights and if you get her back in the DS ending, these are the abilities you get her back with. These abilities cannot be changed or altered except by cheating.


I see this battle ending, like 95 percent of battles do between sith and jedi, with lightsabers, where bastilla won't be able to compete.

Doubtful, if Bastila notices that she's outmatched in sabers she'll fall back and Force him to death, and Kenobi lacks the offence to stop her from doing so imo.

The problem with this logic is, she was a dark Jedi for a few weeks at best and so we can't logically consider the new powers.

What? These are the abilities she actually has. I don't see how they could not be canon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In the game. Those are the abilities she can use against you in her fights and if you get her back in the DS ending, these are the abilities you get her back with. These abilities cannot be changed or altered except by cheating.

The listed abilities you get her back with are not, however, quantified.(and I'm sorry if i didn't make that clear before, I could have saved us a couple of posts.)

How good is she with these powers? Considering how short a time she has been with Malak, it is doubtful that she has achieved anything that is anywhere near mastery with them. Also, DEFINE a lot of those powers? A lot of them looked a lot like variations on TK. Kenobi has already blocked an all-out force shove from the chosen one himself, Bastilla's TK isn't going to be able to spin Kenobi like a top.


Doubtful, if Bastila notices that she's outmatched in sabers she'll fall back and Force him to death, and Kenobi lacks the offence to stop her from doing so imo.

Kenobi has been attacked with the force by Dooku, by Assajji and by Anakin. In his battle with Durge, he reaches out a hand and blocks ALL of the bullets from what appears to be a mini-gun. His force abilities are not weak enough that we assume he, a Jedi Master, loses to every single opponent who uses the force.

He was taken off guard for a single moment by DOOKU, a being who was arguably the 2nd most powerful jedi behind Yoda BEFORE leaving the order, and you act like Kenobi will fall to every single person who attacks him through the force. This simply isn't the case.

Bastilla isn't Dooku.

Regardless, I will stick to the fact that 95% of fights between force-users end with a sabers death.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Unless I'm mistaken, she listed the Canon sources for me. Otherwise I wouldn't have dropped the matter.

No disrespect to Advent at all, but that post was entirely too long for me even to pretend to read. A point by point argument breaks it up a little. Or even a short post with listed sources.... But that was like a novel. I don't love this place that much.

No offence at all, but if you aren't going to bother to read the arguments then why are you arguing?

okay i read it.. : ) maybe i do love this place that much. I problem lies here:

Dominate Mind, Force Stun, Force Whirlwind, Slow, Force Insanity, Force Choke, Force Wave, Force Lightning, Force Plague, Force Breach, Drain Life, Force Stasis Field [demonstrated Knights of the Old Republic, within canon].

When I played Bastilla, I defeated her in 3 double-bladed, JEdi Knight Speed attacks.She used no force powers against me whatsoever.

So to say that these are canon because they were "demonstrated" isn't quite fair, i don't think.

One other problem with those: what are "Force whirlwind" "force wave" "force insanity" "force slow" "force breach"
"force plague" "force stasis field"

Looks like TK, and nothing else, to be honest. Certainly whirlwind, wave, slow, breach, and stasis field are nothing but TK.

These attacks are game mechanics, and nothing more.

Is "Force rage" and "Force sense"(an apparent ability to sense weapons and med-packs from several floors up) actual abilities? No. Neither are these.

Instant heal med-packs aren't real, and neither is "Force Whirlwind"

There I said it.