Originally posted by truejedi
yes, that was the quote i was looking for. So we have two G-Canon movies that say they only work on the weak-minded then, right?
Really?
Originally posted by ares834
Do we have anyhting that contradicts it? Or any reason to not believe it?
You're confusing "G-canon" and "credible source." So, while it is incontrovertible that Anakin said that to Padme, you haven't got anything that speaks to the level of honesty or accuracy of the statement.
Originally posted by Advent
No, not inherently, hence my retort to the "Revan Twist". Of course, if the circumstances surrounding the possibly canon event are definable in a way that makes them plausible for use in arguments, such as in the case with Bastila and Motta the Hutt, then absolutely. One must have the previously established foreground first, which I do courtesy of BioWare.
Okay, you’re right, you can use events from possibly canon unless they contradict established canon and are not influenced by game-play mechanics.
Slash, I am terribly sorry, but unfortunately, I haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about here or how it's relevant to the conversation.
Just… nevermind.
To me, this seems more like a diversionary tactic more than anything else, because it is completely irrelevant to the points we were discussing. Over-all, this would merely negate a simple, extraneous comparison made; ultimately impacting precisely squat.
It may seem that way but honestly, it wasn’t. Do I really have to post a new reply when I want to say something that is not related to what we were discussing before? I’m just going further into the part I initially questioned. I now admitted that you can use this feat of her to gauge her power. But I still disagree with the comparison.
Like TJ has proven, the Force can only influence the weak-minded, so you still persist that Bastila Force influencing Motta is a good comparison to how Qui-Gon couldn’t influence a Toydarian? You’re making a comparison and I simply want you to prove it. Can you prove that any Toydarian for that matter has ever been influenced by the Force and that as you said, Watto is more easily beguiled than Motta?
Had I said that "anything...not required to progress the game is not canon" then I would not be arguing about Bastila and Motta the Hutt, now would I? In-fact, was it not [b]you who said that anything optional is non-canon, initially and then deleted it from your post?As for the "Advents says that anything acquired by game-play mechanics...is not-canon", which seems true as far as I know, here is what was actually said:
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I didn’t delete anything, it’s still there. 😬
The “not required to progress the game” is linked to the “acquired by game-play mechanics”. I said “AND” not “OR”. You misinterpreted what I said. Why would I say that you said “anything not required to progress the game is not canon” while I’m arguing against the exact opposite?
Everything that is not included in canon at the moment is not canon until it is proven to have actually happened and can then be included in the canon. There is just no in between canon and non canon. Possibly canon is not canon.
On the issue of Revan and Force Storm: in agreement with Nephthys and Dr. McBeefy, it seems fairly certain that it has been established outside of game-play that Revan knows Force Storm.
True.
Look, you're not a bad guy, but making things up and applying it to my stance does not mean it is my argument. It's yours, and it is called a strawman.
But it was yours right? I learned it from you and applied it in this situation. Do I have to ask permission from you?
I bet you also have the feeling of having your head squeezed firmly up your rear-end. At least that one is a true "gut" feeling. Argumentum ad intenstinum only works for television and movie detectives.
No gut feeling, I searched for the Motta thing and came up on Wookie. As you apparently didn’t get the feat from the game itself, it would be obvious that you’d get it from Wookie too.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
S_W_Legend could learn a few things from you.
It is all psychological here. Same arguments being repeated by a someone considered to be an exceptional debator is given more credit in these forums. I am familier with most of these sources that Advent have cited.
I find it surprising that she now seems to argue for KoTOR characters after her debating history.
Now that she has decided to debate for these so called virtally unknown characters, some hypocrites have decided to retreat and you are one of them.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien Are more pleasing to read knowing that person has a half a brain and has the ability to think rationally. And that's what you need to learn; You're not one of those people.
I am done with long lectures on KoTOR a long time ago. People did not wanted to listen and arguments like grenades, mines, medpacks, and other dodgy crapistic comments were thrown in to equation. And you are one of them. So you are no better than those hypocrites who crapped out as soon as Advent jumped in to the matter. Better check your intellectual abilities first before pointing fingures at others. Some people in this thread did had reservations regarding KoTOR characters and they presented them but you (pretender to be a leader of Anti-KoTORism) suddenly decided to retreat. That decides your credibility.
Use the search button if you want to see my debating history. It will also reveal your hypocritical standing on such issues.
Here is just a brief snapshot of my arguments for Bastilla:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD Here is a quote for Bastilla Shan:"Maybe the most heroic Jedi of her time, Bastilla Shan was a Jedi exemplar."
Despite being a Jedi consular, she constructed a double bladed lightsaber. It shows that she paid importance to her skills with lightsaber.
From behind the scenes section in the official databank:
"Armed with a double-bladed lightsaber and equipped with Force abilities available to a Jedi Sentinel, she is a good choice for close-assault combat action."
She also worked with and fought alongside Revan for a long duration during the Jedi Civil War, which would have enhanced her experience.
The fact that the Jedi Council made her part of the Jedi Strike Team which boarded Darth Revan's flagship is a testament to her capabilities as a whole and not just Battle Meditation. Jolee Bindo also recognized her strength.
By the time she embraced the dark side, she said this about her abilities: "I am more powerful than all but few Jedi Masters."