Cross Genre Match #11: Dante vs Etrigan

Originally posted by illadelph12
That's enough guys.

This thread's about Dante Vs. Etrigan. Let's stay on topic.

Since carver insists that "Tagging superman doesn't mean they're fast"

It's important to address the issue that's being used as a basis for the foundation of determinging one of the combatants speeds.

It's like having a character that's in the fight outruns a train, and this would be like quantifying the speed of the train. While the train isn't in the fight, it was used as a comparison to the stat of a character.

Carver, I know you didn't bring it up, no need to defend yourself (which will only drag it out further).

Just drop it please. Nothing further to be discussed, and no need to fill up this thread with unrelated arguments.

Originally posted by carver9
I think Dante would win, what about you?

Originally posted by Creshosk
This is kind of on topic with superman's speed being used, since someone used superman's speed as a comparison of Etrigan.

Since carver insists that "Tagging superman doesn't mean they're fast"

It's important to address the issue that's being used as a basis for the foundation of determinging one of the combatants speeds.

It's like having a character that's in the fight outruns a train, and this would be like quantifying the speed of the train. While the train isn't in the fight, it was used as a comparison to the stat of a character.

No its not on topic, I dont care about that subject... I want to know about this fight, who would win and why and I would like some speed feats from Etrigan "himself" showing that he can keep up with Dante.

Who do you think would win?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I suppose anyone could win if you downplay their opponents feats. and then ignore or twist any discussion relating to said feats.

HHHMMM... so you do think Etrigan has a chance?

Why?

Because high durability and strength?

Originally posted by Creshosk
This is kind of on topic with superman's speed being used, since someone used superman's speed as a comparison of Etrigan.

Since carver insists that "Tagging superman doesn't mean they're fast"

It's important to address the issue that's being used as a basis for the foundation of determinging one of the combatants speeds.

It's like having a character that's in the fight outruns a train, and this would be like quantifying the speed of the train. While the train isn't in the fight, it was used as a comparison to the stat of a character.

No, it's not.

In the case of DBZ all of the characters are actually displayed with having superspeed and fighting at superspeed, which is the basis for Carver's comment, even if it's misguided.

That's not the case in comics, as we both know, and therefore it's not necessary to drag this out.

Please drop it.

Originally posted by amnesia
Because high durability and strength?

Now I agree with this, durability wise I think they are about equal but Etrigan does have the upper hand strength wise. The thing is, Etrigan isnt completely invulnerable and Dante isnt just a stabber, he has powers of his own along with the speed, skill, and combat advantage.

Originally posted by illadelph12
No, it's not.

In the case of DBZ all of the characters are actually displayed with having superspeed and fighting at superspeed, which is the basis for Carver's comment, even if it's misguided.

That's not the case in comics, as we both know, and therefore it's not necessary to drag this out.

Please drop it.

Regardless of who carver was promoting at the time.

I even showed where he mentions that Surfer was tagged by rhino to downplay Surfer's speed. Neither of which is a DBZ character.

Originally posted by carver9
HHHMMM... so you do think Etrigan has a chance?

Why?

Now that that opens THAT back up as I know how you'll respond, how about we fast foreward back to where we were? 🙄

This is what a cross genre thread should be.

Originally posted by amnesia
This is what a cross genre thread should be.

you're welcome

flirt

Well, as probably the only person who wants to even try for Etrigan, if he's matched Superman at all or at least punched him to the moon I'd say he's probably stronger than Dante. My knowledge of Dante's strength puts his best feat at stopping one of Savior's punches which I think was 300 tons, which I think is class 30. If Etrigan has ever matched Superman then that would put him at what, class 100?

I dunno what to say about speed. Has Dante ever fought a demon as fast as him? My admittedly limited DMC knowledge says his fastest opponent was probably Vergil. If Etrigan can prove to be faster than Dante's fastest pure demon opponent it could prove to be helpful.

Looking at Wikipedia I notice a few abilities of possible interest, including a healing factor, a master of sorcery which, if it includes TK of some form could render Dante somewhat helpless, and Telepathy which may allow him to read Dante's mind before he even moves. This coupled with precognition could help to even out that speed problem. Extrasensory powers are there, but I'm not sure of what use they might be, or even to what extent any of these powers work.

Also, Wikipedia mentions super speed and magically enhanced claws and fangs, and even energy projections that apparently are not limited to hellfire. It says his strength allows him to stand against people like Superman. While that doesn't necessarily mean he's as strong as Supes, it could put him close. Close could be enough to top Dante in that area.

Originally posted by carver9
You can get into it Illa...

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, as probably the only person who wants to even try for Etrigan, if he's matched Superman at all or at least punched him to the moon I'd say he's probably stronger than Dante. My knowledge of Dante's strength puts his best feat at stopping one of Savior's punches which I think was 300 tons, which I think is class 30. If Etrigan has ever matched Superman then that would put him at what, class 100?

I dunno what to say about speed. Has Dante ever fought a demon as fast as him? My admittedly limited DMC knowledge says his fastest opponent was probably Vergil. If Etrigan can prove to be faster than Dante's fastest pure demon opponent it could prove to be helpful.

Looking at Wikipedia I notice a few abilities of possible interest, including a healing factor, a master of sorcery which, if it includes TK of some form could render Dante somewhat helpless, and Telepathy which may allow him to read Dante's mind before he even moves. This coupled with precognition could help to even out that speed problem. Extrasensory powers are there, but I'm not sure of what use they might be, or even to what extent any of these powers work.

Also, Wikipedia mentions super speed and magically enhanced claws and fangs, and even energy projections that apparently are not limited to hellfire. It says his strength allows him to stand against people like Superman. While that doesn't necessarily mean he's as strong as Supes, it could put him close. Close could be enough to top Dante in that area.

Good post, now the only thing that we are missing is scans. I want to see some speed feats, durability feats, etc...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no homo

LOL... I should have read my post a little more careful before pressing submit.

😆

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because Etrigan has tagged superman.

Now that that opens THAT back up as I know how you'll respond, how about we fast foreward back to where we were? 🙄

Good speed feat, now do you have scans showing fast reflexes like bullet timing speed etc... instead of who he fought?

That would be nice.

Etrigan imo. He just has plain better feats to me.

Originally posted by carver9
Good speed feat, now do you have scans showing fast reflexes like bullet timing speed etc... instead of who he fought?

That would be nice.

"who they fought" is admissable under certain circumstances.

Question to anyone who reads Etrigan: Does he still have that dual strength clause where he's stronger in Hell than on Earth?

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Would it matter in this fight, or is he automatically at full capacity?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Etrigan imo. He just has plain better feats to me.

"who they fought" is admissable under certain circumstances.

But that rule cant apply for certain individuals, it has to apply for ALL. Example, Creshosk saying that Etrigan has super speed since he fought Superman should also apply to Hulk having super speed since he fought Gladiator or Colossus having super speed since he fought Gladiator or Wolverine and Cannonball having super speed since they fought Gladiator or Wolverine having unrealistic speed since he has tagged Mimic who have on panel showings of combating at 93000 mps or him tagging Quicksilver... hope you get my point.

Originally posted by carver9
But that rule cant apply for certain individuals, it has to apply for ALL. Example, Creshosk saying that Etrigan has super speed since he fought Superman should also apply to Hulk having super speed since he fought Gladiator or Colossus having super speed since he fought Gladiator or Wolverine and Cannonball having super speed since they fought Gladiator or Wolverine having unrealistic speed since he has tagged Mimic who have on panel showings of combating at 93000 mps or him tagging Quicksilver... hope you get my point.

I wasn't talking about certain individuals, i was talking about certain instances. Big difference.