Originally posted by carver9Nobody (at the moment) is arguing that punching a standing-still speedster is a clear demonstration of super-speed.
But that rule cant apply for certain individuals, it has to apply for ALL. Example, Creshosk saying that Etrigan has super speed since he fought Superman should also apply to Hulk having super speed since he fought Gladiator or Colossus having super speed since he fought Gladiator or Wolverine and Cannonball having super speed since they fought Gladiator or Wolverine having unrealistic speed since he has tagged Mimic who have on panel showings of combating at 93000 mps or him tagging Quicksilver... hope you get my point.
However, tagging Superman mid-flight clearly is:
Unless we're assuming that Superman was asinine enough to fly extremely slowly towards Etrigan, and then proceed to get punched to the moon.
So I'm gonna go ahead and venture that if he can do that, he can tag Dante.
On a side note, if Dante doesn't see his hellfire coming, and given that Etrigan's hellfire has vanquished demons with ease before, and given Superman issues, what's the argument that it won't affect Dante?
There is a respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=476393
Etrigan is very underrated on this board.
Etrigan can also send Dante back through time:
http://i36.tinypic.com/24wubky.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/2gufeko.jpg
BFR him to another dimension:
http://i34.tinypic.com/2uzwah0.jpg
Steal his soul:
http://i38.tinypic.com/xfdjet.jpg
Use illusions on him:
http://i36.tinypic.com/6nunn6.jpg
Blind him with light:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2ag6835.jpg
Steal his power:
http://i34.tinypic.com/11ajzo0.jpg
Summon other demons to help him:
http://i38.tinypic.com/21eanna.jpg
And lots of other things too
Originally posted by Existere
Nobody (at the moment) is arguing that punching a standing-still speedster is a clear demonstration of super-speed.However, tagging Superman mid-flight clearly is:
Unless we're assuming that Superman was asinine enough to fly extremely slowly towards Etrigan, and then proceed to get punched to the moon.
So I'm gonna go ahead and venture that if he can do that, he can tag Dante.
On a side note, if Dante doesn't see his hellfire coming, and given that Etrigan's hellfire has vanquished demons with ease before, and given Superman issues, what's the argument that it won't affect Dante?
That doesn't provide any proof of superspeed on Etrigan's part, btw. The distance isn't displayed. He could have been travelling around the speed of a fastball pitch for all we know.
Originally posted by illadelph12Fair enough.
That doesn't provide any proof of superspeed on Etrigan's part, btw. The distance isn't displayed. He could have been travelling around the speed of a fastball pitch for all we know.
For context, he was this far:
Which is a decent enough length for the attack to constitute a bull rush.
The fact that he managed to catch Superman off guard with a rather powerful attack, with enough of a swing to knock him to the moon, with Superman clearly both battle-aware and in motion, all eliminate the situational factors usually accompanying a 'brick manages to hit a speedster so he must be fast!' scenario.
So I feel comfortable asserting that he has super-speed of some level, though that is a rather large term, so we don't yet know to what extent this holds true.
Originally posted by Existere
Fair enough.For context, he was this far:
Which is a decent enough length for the attack to constitute a bull rush.
The fact that he managed to catch Superman off guard with a rather powerful attack, with enough of a swing to knock him to the moon, with Superman clearly both battle-aware and in motion, all eliminate the situational factors usually accompanying a 'brick manages to hit a speedster so he must be fast!' scenario.
So I feel comfortable asserting that he has super-speed of some level, though that is a rather large term, so we don't yet know to what extent this holds true.
Superman couldn't react to something that regular humans reacted to. Impressive.
That's a class hundred level feat.
Originally posted by Existere
Fair enough.For context, he was this far:
Which is a decent enough length for the attack to constitute a bull rush.
The fact that he managed to catch Superman off guard with a rather powerful attack, with enough of a swing to knock him to the moon, with Superman clearly both battle-aware and in motion, all eliminate the situational factors usually accompanying a 'brick manages to hit a speedster so he must be fast!' scenario.
So I feel comfortable asserting that he has super-speed of some level, though that is a rather large term, so we don't yet know to what extent this holds true.
I disagree. There's still no evidence that Supes was going, say, 90 mph+ in his flight, particularly considering that Etrigan was able to bust a rhyme in the span of time it took Supes to reach him, and Superman's been caught off guard by numerous attacks, which means there's no evidence of super-speed on Etrigan's part in this instance. All we know for certain is that Etrigan is strong enough to punch someone around Superman's size and weight into space.
Originally posted by illadelph12
particularly considering that Etrigan was able to bust a rhyme in the span of time it took Supes to reach him
I'm not saying that your argument is totally baseless, but we're talking about comics here.
In the pic above the guy would either have to be speaking about twenty words a second or moving at an ungodly slow rate.
Hang time.
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Also, given the first dialogue bubble, there's apparently some lost context in that scan. She thinks "Oh no, I'm right back where I started" as dude is mid-air having lept some un-defined distance.
Also, there's no telling what other factors there are. Is it a magical realm? Another planet with altered gravity? Is in he an upward arc of his jump or free fall? Etc.
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Originally posted by illadelph12You're really reaching there aren't you delph?
Hang time.edit*
Also, given the first dialogue bubble, there's apparently some lost context in that scan. She thinks "Oh no, I'm right back where I started" as dude is mid-air having lept some un-defined distance.
Also, there's no telling what other factors there are. Is it a magical realm? Another planet with altered gravity? Is in he an upward arc of his jump or free fall? Etc.
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