Durge Vs. Sion

Started by truejedi5 pages


Exile: I will not run from that corpse.
Kreia: There will be another time. Not now, not here, while Korriban runs through him

and later on on Malachor V.

Sion: As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I can not be killed.

These quotes clearly show that it is on worlds strong in the dark side that he has this power. As Kreia claims he can be defeaed on Korriban suggesting that at other places he can be, and Sion himself states it is Malachor V's power that allows him to keep himslef alive. Sure he may be able to preform it on other planets, but not as often. Heck, even on Malachor V he is not completlley invincible.

No on has posted ANYTHING that comes anywhere close to overturning thsi post.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC Vague is a word that comes to mind. Not conclusive is another interpretation.

This is your best comment for the following statement: Sion embarks on a Jedi-assassination spree, "dying" many more times, but always ending more enemy lives. (from KoTOR Campaign Guide)?

Originally posted by Slash_KMC What is your interpretation of these statements:

As for the statement posted by ares834, my interpretation is that Kreia clearly felt that places such as Korriban and Malachor V heighten Sion powers to such a great extent that it made him almost unstoppable.

Or as stated by ares834 “On places such as Malachor V he is nearly immortal due to the massive amount of dark energies”.

As for the discussion, I feel the quote from the kotor campaign guide does imply that Sion is able to execute this technique anywhere and like Nihilus technique it is part of him. To what extent is not clarified by the quote from Kotor Campaign Guide. Obliviously not to the extent he could on a place such as Malachor V.

Neither do Kreia statements imply that Sion could only execute the technique on places filled with large amounts of dark energies.

Perhaps places such as Korriban and Malachor V allowed Sion to execute the technique endlessly due to the amount of dark energies present.

Let's dissect this: "As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I can not be killed."

As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh: cause.
I can not be killed:consequence.

So you see not being able to be killed as just heightening his power?

Now, as long as you're not able to trump this with something other than a vague quote, I'm not going to be bothered with stubborn people like you anymore.

Facts > possibilities.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Let's dissect this: "As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I can not be killed."

As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh: [b]cause.
I can not be killed:consequence.

So you see not being able to be killed as just heightening his power?

Now, as long as you're not able to trump this with something other than a vague quote, I'm not going to be bothered with stubborn people like you anymore.

Facts > possibilities. [/B]

What is fact Slash? That Sion is truely immortal on planets filled with dark engeries? Or was that the way he felt due to having such a large supply of dark energy. Malak felt the same way on the star forge.

If you are using that quote to state that Sion is only able to resurrect himself on places filled with dark energies then you have proven nothing.

truejedi stated the point quite well, a quote that ends this conversation, "Sure he may be able to perform it on other planets, but not as often".

No, besides i doubt that after he was killed once, the Jedi was like "OMFG I JUST KILLED HIM HOW IS HE STANDING ABOUT TO KILL ME WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" so he didnt have to worry about being killed multiple times

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Let's dissect this: "As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I can not be killed."

As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh: [b]cause.
I can not be killed:consequence.[/B]

Just because someone says something doesn't make it a fact. A skilled FPS gamer could say something very similar.

Example: As long as I have the sniper in Valhallah, I cannot be killed.

Fact? No. Fighting in the best possible scenario making my survival more likely? Yep.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Just because someone says something doesn't make it a fact. A skilled FPS gamer could say something very similar.

Example: As long as I have the sniper in Valhallah, I cannot be killed.

Fact? No. Fighting in the best possible scenario making my survival more likely? Yep.

Exactly, because someone says something doesn't make it a fact.

So what happens when Sion gets his head cut off? Have we ever seen it? Does he pop a new head out of his neck? Does he use the Force to plant his head back on his body? Can his body without a head even feel hate or can his head without a body feel hate or anything at all?

The whole not being able to die thing is plain PIS and there is absolutely no way he can survive losing his head. Unless someone can give me a reasonable explanation.

Has anyone brought it up yet? How can Sion recreate destroyed matter?

I'd like to see him as a Wolverine type. That would at least be acceptable.

As it is, he's more like Imhotep with a lightsaber. And no regeneration.

I never thought he could survive without a head. What if Durge just picks up the head and carries it away? Fight over.

You know, strange that no one who has ever "killed" Sion was smart enough to think of it. Anakin got how to do it in RotS, seems like the Jedi really evolved over time.

I think beheading was frowned upon by the Jedi or something. They're all for killing their enemies, but it can't be a quick death. Slow and drawn out is the way to go--it lets the villains have a final talk to the hero who did 'em in. Also, monologues are sweet (as says in the Jedi Code).

its true, pretty much every villian who dies is still alive enough at the end for last words. Exile obviously didn't try cutting Sion's head off, since he was still talking at the end.

Originally posted by ares834
Prove that any of these planets Sion died on were not a dark side nexus. Here is the proof for his recarnation ability only really working on a planet full of dark side energies.

Exile: I will not run from that corpse.
Kreia: There will be another time. Not now, not here, while Korriban runs through him

and later on on Malachor V.

Sion: As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I can not be killed.

These quotes clearly show that it is on worlds strong in the dark side that he has this power. As Kreia claims he can be defeaed on Korriban suggesting that at other places he can be, and Sion himself states it is Malachor V's power that allows him to keep himslef alive. Sure he may be able to preform it on other planets, but not as often. Heck, even on Malachor V he is not completlley invincible.

After being told he is weakening.
Sion: I... I still have the power to stop you. The Force runs strong through the screaming canyons of Malachor.

Then the next time you defeat him, he is on his hands and knees rather than standing clearly he is weakening even though he is drawing upon the dark power on Malachor.

The defeats were psychological, because you were repeatedly defeating him while being his antithesis in almost everyway. He was beginning to see his inferiority to the Exile. Eventaully, he simply decides the force isn't worth it and just lets himself go.

He was defeated by psychological conditions which could not be replicated by someone who still had Anakin's or Yoda's connection to the force...

Sure, you defeated him in battle, but the real fight really was one of heart and soul.

but if he had his head severed, I see no evidence to suggest he would grow a new one.

Originally posted by truejedi
but if he had his head severed, I see no evidence to suggest he would grow a new one.
Grow one? Just reconstitute it with telekinesis. We have no evidence that he couldn't survive without a head, and in this case, thats more relevant.

"we have no evidence that he couldn't survive without a head."

Really? THAT is your argument? That a being SHOULD be able to survive without a head unless proven otherwise?

Talk about flipping an argument on its ear.

...why even bother trying? cockface.

Dude, I can survive without a head. We have no evidence that I couldn't.