Or Marek 😑
But on someones point (im tired and therefore lazy right now) maybe his brain and many internal organs have rotted away. He has no immune system, so those little microorganisms will eventually turn him into a hollow husk that can kill you. His conciousness may be tied to the force, cosidering how he is technically dead, he may have just found the Siths version of what Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Yoda, AND Luke, did.
Originally posted by Slash_KMCIDK, but it seems like a sith thing.
The Sith version of a Force Ghost is a Force Corpse? That makes even more sense!C'mon people, I think we're starting to figure out the enigma.
Alchemy was focused on amulets and such, but it also had a hand in mutations to serve the sith. This is a more naturalish mutation by the dark side itself, making a living corpse that must kill and hate to survive,
meaning it must virtually FEED the dark side.
Thats my opinion anyways.
Originally posted by truejedi
Both places that he has survived a duel in which he is regenerating, he has been on a dark-side Nexus. Until you can prove he has done it anywhere else, then the burden of proof would lie on you.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam, logical fallacy.
He did survive duels on more than two places. You limit the evidence to in-game-content, ignoring his entire backstory. He was hunting Jedi for more than four decades. Fact. He died "countless times" during this. Fact. Your assumption: All his deaths in the four decades happened close to a dark side nexus. Your proof: None. So you're inserting wild speculations, against probability and ignoring Occam's Razor. Conclusion: You lose.
I'm surprised at you. You didn't read the thread, did you? We have spent pages arguing that already. There is absolutely no proof that Sion was onboard the Harbringer. The last time we saw him, he was with Kreia. She got off, so it is clear that he could have as well.
Argumentum ad ingorantiam, logical fallacy.
We have proof (dialogue with G0-T0 and Dol Grenn) that the asteroid field and the mining facility were completely destroyed. We've seen the Harbinger caugt in the middle of that explosion. The only people that canonically escaped were the people on board of the Ebon Hawk.
To reach your desired conclusion (Sion not being a victim of the explosion), you would have to assume that Sion was on board of the Harbinger (which you attempt to deny) and that the Harbinger managed to escape form the inferno (which you have no proof for). With the evidence present, it's more logical to assume that the Harbinger was destroyed, thus making Sion a quaranteed victim of the explosion. Even ignoring this, Occam's Razor favors my interpretation. Conclusion: You lose.
This would be an argument winning point if Kreia hadn't left the fight with Sion escaped the Harbringer. Since she had time to get away, there was obviously time for Sion to do the same.
Irrelevant, as demonstrated above. Anything present in the asteroid belt was destroyed, with the exception of the Ebon Hawk.
We obviously can't prove a negative. Burden of proof falls to you to prove he could do it anywhere else. All game examples and in-universe quotations support an argument that it can only be done in a darkside nexus. If you have evidence that he can perform it elsewhere, be forthcoming, otherwise you hang this argument on the fact that we cannot prove a negative.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam, shifting the burden of proof, logical fallacy.
You want to limit Sion's ability to ressurect himself, so it would be your task, to come up with proof that such a limitation does exist. Did you do so? No. You just gave us examples that his abilities are stronger on worlds with a dark side nexus, which doesn't mean they are non-existant on worlds that lack such a nexus. Which would be an argument against probability (40 years, countless deaths, all on worlds with a dark side nexus?). Your ignorance towards Sion's backstory doesn't win debate, neither does your manner of simply inserting assumptions without presenting any proof for them.
Once more: Two arguments based on speculation, with mine being the more logical one. Conclusion: You lose.
Exactly. The in-universe quotes seem to make this clear. If you have evidence to the contrary, please, present it.
The hell.
I've explained into detail, that the in-universe quotes don't make this clear. They just demonstrate the idea that his dark side abilities in general are boosted when close to a dark side nexus. That's a fact and, gosh, nobody did attempt to argue that. I don't care about your personal interpretation of character quotes, which - if analyzed properly instead of interpreted in favor for your stance - just prove what I said they prove. Or does anybody say that Sion can only perform his actions close to a dark side nexus? No. Thanks for playing.
Oops. Where did Yoda hide again? Why did he hide there? And it worked. retract that one.
I do know the answer to that question, but apparently you don't. Yoda did hide on Dagobah but his main reason to go there was the fact, that the planet had been erased from the archives of the Jedi Order, so that it "didn't exist". The second reason was the huge amount of lifeforms, making the planet a focal point of the living force, which made Yoda practically undetectable (as seen in ESB when Luke scans the planet for lifeforms). The dark side nexus there (a weak one, if I may add, in comparison to Korriban or Malachor V), was just the icing on the cake and we don't even know if Yoda had knowledge about what happened on that planet before he went there.
Where is the relevance? How many other Jedi did hide on dark side planets in the history of the SW universe. Let me check: KotoR II features only Lonna Vash hiding in such a place (Korriban), waiting for the Exile. Then we have Kavar "hiding" on Onderon, which I might grant you for that list, provided it was in the grasp of the Dark Side for centuries. And we have Yoda hiding on Dagobah.
The other Jedi we've seen going into hiding are preferring places with dense populations (Vima-Da-Boda on Coruscant, Zez-Kai Ell and Tholme on Nar Shaddaa), a strong presence in the living force (on reason for Yoda to chose Dagobah, Shaak Ti on Felucia, Quinlan Vos on Kashyyyk) or "deserted" worlds that aren't commonly visited (Kazdan Paratus on Raxus Prime, Vrook on Dantooine, Ulic Qel-Droma on Rhen Var, Obi-Wan on Tatooine).
The point was, that it doesn't make sense to assume that Sion just did hunt Jedi that were all hiding close to a dark side nexus - for more than four decades of his life. And please don't tell me that this sounds reasonable for you.
i think so, so it is believed if his head was cut completely off, and then taken from him, that he would be screwed.Unless you are suggesting the lightsaber goes through the flesh with the flesh reforming around it as it cuts?
That's a pretty interesting thought right there actually.
Still, a shot to the brain should still kill him, because if he loses consciousness, he can't use the will to hold himself together, and if has a lightsaber sized chunk in the middle of his brain at any given time, it takes away too many functions to give him control of his person.
And here we're back at the actual debate, which you apparently refuse to participate in. I may just ask again: How in the blue hell is Durge going to defeat Sion in a straight forward fight? I'd love to have an answer to this, because you happily dodged the point once again.
That aside: Decapitation also would take Durge out of the fight. Yet, unless with Sion, we do know for sure that it would take Durge out, while you're just speculating again in regards to Sion. And, as far as I recall, only one of the participants is equiped with a weapon made for cutting things off and the sufficient skill to wield it - and it's not Durge.
Shooting through Sions head? Nice idea. We all know that it's totally easy to hit a Jedi or Sith with a blaster. They aren't fast as hell and thereby able to dodge blasterfire and they also don't wield weapons able to deflect such attacks, right? Hence why Durge easily gunned down the likes of Kenobi and Skywalker before. 🙄
And, finally, could you please stop with the double-standards. Accepting all kind of speculation when it comes to possible vulnerabilities for Sion, yet ignoring the same kind of speculation, when it comes to the strength of his ability is clear bias. Cut it out. If you want to stick to your agenda of only accepting clear evidence, the only way to kill Sion is being his love interest and convincing him to die - and nothing else. No matter how reasonable it sounds.
Which still, by the way, doesn't answer the question how Durge would defeat Sion. I'm waiting for an answer.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
This Harbinger crap again? We have no proof that the Harbinger got destroyed or that he was on it. Although we lack any proof it is also not logical to assume that he doesn't need to breathe or that he swam through space.
Oh, right. Let me check.
Anything in the asteroid field exploded - with exception of the Harbinger which we saw caught in the middle of the explosion. Then Sion wasn't on it - and neither on the mining facility - because we can't allow him to be caught in an explosion like that and survive. So instead of "swimming through space" he did use force teleport to beam himself into the next inhabited star system in order to survive without a scratch, I suppose.
And of course it's absolutely illogical to assume that "a walking corpse", that has cheated death on countless occassions, with most of them probably spawning from massive lightsaber hits and other traumata (apparently he had his bones grinded into shreds and the like), that existed in the state of an "undead" with his skin decomposing, would be inable to survive the blast of an explosion or exposure to vacuum. Not that we've seen both things being survived by some Jedi that lacked Sion's abilities. And let's also ingore that even space age medical equipment can't determine whether he's alive or not.
But no...that can't happen because it would torpede your points, with "your points" actually being speculation regarding the limits of Sion's immortality and nothing else. This while not a iota of evidence being inserted to this debate for Durge being able to defeat Sion in the first place, which would be the prerequisite for the validity of any argument regarding Sion's immortality. "First things first", as the proverb says.